Bulkhead for Grapple Hydraulics
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jmc
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Brad,
Nice job. Most of us mount the grapple first, cobble up some "temporary" hydraulic connection and will probably never get around to doing it right.
I hope with that tight spacing you can still get a good grip on the second hose when connections are stubborn.
John
Nice job. Most of us mount the grapple first, cobble up some "temporary" hydraulic connection and will probably never get around to doing it right.
I hope with that tight spacing you can still get a good grip on the second hose when connections are stubborn.
John
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lincolnvt said:
Not in my experience. The male QC is free to rotate (and does) within the female QC. The swivel on the hose side would be very effective as without it, or with a swivel on the QC side only, you would have to have the male QC in a specific position (to avoid fighting the hose)...
CurlyDave
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I hope with that tight spacing you can still get a good grip on the second hose when connections are stubborn.
My experience with the factory setup on my JD 110 is that making these connections is always a tussle for me & I have a lot more room than that.
Of course if you put a grapple on and never remove it this will not be a problem.
I exchange a 4-n-1 bucket with a Rock Bucket all the time & both require a connection to the hydraulics.
On the tractor side of the hydraulic circuit, I can bleed the internal pressure down to nothing by manipulating the joystick with the engine off.
The real problem comes on the implement side where the shut off valves in the connectors allow significant build up of hydraulic pressure in the implement even when it is detached. If the temperature increased while the implement is not attached depressing the check valve can be a real struggle.
Not to bad with the ball-type check valves which can be struck against a cloth-covered steel surface to relieve pressure, but I have the skid-steer type flat check valves, which are very difficult to relieve.
My experience with the factory setup on my JD 110 is that making these connections is always a tussle for me & I have a lot more room than that.
Of course if you put a grapple on and never remove it this will not be a problem.
I exchange a 4-n-1 bucket with a Rock Bucket all the time & both require a connection to the hydraulics.
On the tractor side of the hydraulic circuit, I can bleed the internal pressure down to nothing by manipulating the joystick with the engine off.
The real problem comes on the implement side where the shut off valves in the connectors allow significant build up of hydraulic pressure in the implement even when it is detached. If the temperature increased while the implement is not attached depressing the check valve can be a real struggle.
Not to bad with the ball-type check valves which can be struck against a cloth-covered steel surface to relieve pressure, but I have the skid-steer type flat check valves, which are very difficult to relieve.
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lincolnvt said:
Correct.
bjcsc brought up a good point about the male qd rotating inside the female end. However, when there is pressure in the line, the male end tries to pull out of the female end and it would not turn, the live swivel would turn. Basically, whichever has the least amount of resistance will turn. For the degree of angle that you need here, you might not even need a swivel. How many degrees of flex are we really talking here? I don't know, I'm asking. There are many new hoses out there made to flex and hold up very well. As far as Weatherhead goes, I carry the H245 Hi-flex. It's what I make all 2 wire hoses out of regardless of needing flex or not. I would hook up your attachment and see if you even require a swivel. If you make the hose a few inches longer than it needs to be, this will also help. The male qd can have some rotation inside the female, it won't kill it, unless you were working it 8 hours a day everyday.
I would consider staggering the females. Maybe install a short extender in the rearward female, make it come out further.
Andy - thanks for clearing that up. Good suggestion about extending the rear QC to give myself some room to work. I think I will wait until I get the grapple to invest in the live swivel - get a look at how it functions first and see if extra hose is the ticket. Really appreciate everybody's help on this - it has been a fun project.
Brad
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CurlyDave,
Quote from CurlyDave...
"The real problem comes on the implement side where the shut off valves in the connectors allow significant build up of hydraulic pressure in the implement even when it is detached. If the temperature increased while the implement is not attached depressing the check valve can be a real struggle."
I had the same problems, too. Now, I just connect the male and female connectors on the implement to each other when not in use. Then, if the temperature increases, all stays equal in the lines. The ends stay cleaner, too (if you are not using those rubber hose end connectors).
Quote from CurlyDave...
"The real problem comes on the implement side where the shut off valves in the connectors allow significant build up of hydraulic pressure in the implement even when it is detached. If the temperature increased while the implement is not attached depressing the check valve can be a real struggle."
I had the same problems, too. Now, I just connect the male and female connectors on the implement to each other when not in use. Then, if the temperature increases, all stays equal in the lines. The ends stay cleaner, too (if you are not using those rubber hose end connectors).
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You guys could install connect under pressure q.d.'s. They are made to connect and disconnect under pressure.
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Hi Brad,
That really does look like a professional job. Mine does not have a bulkhead on the loader arms. I keep the connectors from flopping around with reusable tie wraps. Good idea about the 90 degree connectors.
Wayne County Hose...A question or two, (if you don't mind)...I did not know under pressure QD's existed. How do they work? Are they more expensive than normal connectors? That means you could change out attachments without turning the tractor off and equalizing the pressure...Hmmm.
That really does look like a professional job. Mine does not have a bulkhead on the loader arms. I keep the connectors from flopping around with reusable tie wraps. Good idea about the 90 degree connectors.
Wayne County Hose...A question or two, (if you don't mind)...I did not know under pressure QD's existed. How do they work? Are they more expensive than normal connectors? That means you could change out attachments without turning the tractor off and equalizing the pressure...Hmmm.