Bump up lift capacity of L3400/LA463 Loader

   / Bump up lift capacity of L3400/LA463 Loader
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#31  
Ok guy's. I finally got to my loader today. Sorry for the delay and also no pictures.
First I used a 1/4 pipe to 3/8 pipe bushing for the gauge I was using and attached this to one of the quick couplers at the loader control valve. I did not buy another quick coupler because the gauge was borrowed from work. I also capped off the hose end that I removed from the quick coupler I had the gauge attached to to reduce oil spill.
So the moment of truth. The first psi check before doing anything was a lowly 2300 psi. No wonder it would not pick up what I felt it should.
Next get a clean bucket to catch hydraulic oil when you remove the check valve which is located under your right foot. You will see the filter and some steel lines and hoses. The relief valve points straight down in the center of this block. You can't miss it.

I don't remember the exact socket size but larger than 1". Remove it slowly and oil will continue to drain while it is removed. If you hold it vertical while removing it all stays together and comes out as a unit. The nut, spring and a valve.
Remove the spring and at the bottom of the nut portion is the spring seat. This is where the shims go. Mine had a .5mm shim. I used a 2.5 mm thick washer that was the right diameter. I reinstalled the check valve and rechecked my pressure.* 3300 psi.* Oops. To
high.
After two more shots I ended up removing the factory .5mm shim and added 2.0 mm shims. Pressure is now at 2750-2800 psi. Right at the high end of the spec.
I decided not to push it over the spec.
So the big test will be to see how it works with 500 psi increase. That is pretty substantial and I am expecting to notice a large difference in lifting power.There is another thread going about loader cylinder size and pressure realtionship. 500 psi should add quite a bit of lifting power.
I did all of this outside in the gravel because you will spill hydraulic fluid.I talked to a Kubota mechanic this week and he told me they are usually set low and they increase the pressure if someone complains about poor performance.
I hope this helps some of you. It is really a piece of cake. Brian
 
   / Bump up lift capacity of L3400/LA463 Loader #32  
Ok guy's. I finally got to my loader today. Sorry for the delay and also no pictures.
First I used a 1/4 pipe to 3/8 pipe bushing for the gauge I was using and attached this to one of the quick couplers at the loader control valve. I did not buy another quick coupler because the gauge was borrowed from work. I also capped off the hose end that I removed from the quick coupler I had the gauge attached to to reduce oil spill.
So the moment of truth. The first psi check before doing anything was a lowly 2300 psi. No wonder it would not pick up what I felt it should.
Next get a clean bucket to catch hydraulic oil when you remove the check valve which is located under your right foot. You will see the filter and some steel lines and hoses. The relief valve points straight down in the center of this block. You can't miss it.

I don't remember the exact socket size but larger than 1". Remove it slowly and oil will continue to drain while it is removed. If you hold it vertical while removing it all stays together and comes out as a unit. The nut, spring and a valve.
Remove the spring and at the bottom of the nut portion is the spring seat. This is where the shims go. Mine had a .5mm shim. I used a 2.5 mm thick washer that was the right diameter. I reinstalled the check valve and rechecked my pressure.* 3300 psi.* Oops. To
high.
After two more shots I ended up removing the factory .5mm shim and added 2.0 mm shims. Pressure is now at 2750-2800 psi. Right at the high end of the spec.
I decided not to push it over the spec.
So the big test will be to see how it works with 500 psi increase. That is pretty substantial and I am expecting to notice a large difference in lifting power.There is another thread going about loader cylinder size and pressure realtionship. 500 psi should add quite a bit of lifting power.
I did all of this outside in the gravel because you will spill hydraulic fluid.I talked to a Kubota mechanic this week and he told me they are usually set low and they increase the pressure if someone complains about poor performance.
I hope this helps some of you. It is really a piece of cake. Brian

Do you know what size washer you used, like a #6 or #8? Did you use a stainless one or just a zinc plated one?
 
   / Bump up lift capacity of L3400/LA463 Loader #33  
i am going to do this to my bx24. i just went to mcmaster carr and ordered the quick disconnects and a gauge so i could check the psi first. i found there are 3 shim sizes for my tractor, .1,.2,and .4mm. along with the gauge and fittings i just looked up brass shim stock and ordered a small piece of .004" and .007" which comes close to the factory metric ones. i'll just cut to size so i can tweak it to what i want. i dont know if its standard through all kubota models but on mine every .1mm = 39psi. everything all together cost me 50 bucks.
 
   / Bump up lift capacity of L3400/LA463 Loader
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#34  
I used regular zinc. I did not have stainless in a small enough diameter and I think that zinc in hydraulic fluid will be fine.

I believe that they were 10's. I had a whole pile of them and spent some time measuring the thickness of several. You don't realize how much washers vary in thickness until you measure them.

Shim stock would work really well for fine adjustments.

bota jim's .1mm=39 psi is probably in the ball park. I should not have added 2 washers the first time and overshot so far.

It might be worth picking an assortment up from your Kubota dealer if they are cheap enough and you don't want to fool with washers.

Good luck and everyone who does this please post before adjustment pressure results. I am really curious about the numbers. Brian
 
   / Bump up lift capacity of L3400/LA463 Loader #35  
Goog, you probably added about 250# of lift capacity.

Not bad for a qiuck fix.

jb
 
   / Bump up lift capacity of L3400/LA463 Loader #36  
i am going to do this to my bx24. i just went to mcmaster carr and ordered the quick disconnects and a gauge so i could check the psi first. i found there are 3 shim sizes for my tractor, .1,.2,and .4mm. along with the gauge and fittings i just looked up brass shim stock and ordered a small piece of .004" and .007" which comes close to the factory metric ones. i'll just cut to size so i can tweak it to what i want. i dont know if its standard through all kubota models but on mine every .1mm = 39psi. everything all together cost me 50 bucks.

bota jim,

So where is the pressure relief valve located in the BX series? Not sure I'm ready to do this, but it would be good to know where to srart if/when I do. Thanks in advance.
 
   / Bump up lift capacity of L3400/LA463 Loader #37  
ok, if you are looking at the rear of the tractor at the pto output shaft. just up and to the left you will see two large grey hex head plugs. the bottom one is the relief valve. i have not performed this yet, probabaly tomorrow afternoon. i downloaded the parts manual which gives the exploded view and thats where it shows it to be. if you goto Kubotabooks.com you should be able to download it for your tractor and you can see it. not sure if all the bx's are the same.
 
   / Bump up lift capacity of L3400/LA463 Loader #38  
ok, if you are looking at the rear of the tractor at the pto output shaft. just up and to the left you will see two large grey hex head plugs. the bottom one is the relief valve. i have not performed this yet, probabaly tomorrow afternoon. i downloaded the parts manual which gives the exploded view and thats where it shows it to be. if you goto Kubotabooks.com you should be able to download it for your tractor and you can see it. not sure if all the bx's are the same.

Hey, thanks jim. I do have a pdf version of the parts manual - didn't think to check there for the relief valve. I've shimmed the relief valve on my old JD X485 that had a small loader. So, I have a PSI gauge and some left over shims from McMaster Carr. Be nice if they were the right size for the BX. First, I need to check what the PSI was set at coming from the dealer.
 
   / Bump up lift capacity of L3400/LA463 Loader
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#39  
Goog, you probably added about 250# of lift capacity.

Not bad for a qiuck fix.

jb

Exactly my thought. 250 lbs. is huge to me. If this does not I was looking at the L4400 HST. I quickly read the specs on it's loader and it is quite a bit stronger but seems to have some unusual limitaions with degree of bucket roll back compared to my L3400.

I really think that my pressure increase will fix me up. Hope it also helps others. Brian
 
   / Bump up lift capacity of L3400/LA463 Loader
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#40  
Anyone else get a chance to check there pressure yet? Brian
 

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