Bushy's 110

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JoeReal:

Spoke to Wain at Hammond Tractor, avery respectful person. He was very helpful. He said that the Harley rake would work on the front of the 110 though it doesn't do quite what the manufacturer rates it for, but it works satisfactory.

He asked me in a polite way what I paid for my machine. I responded quickly with 47 before I could finish he gasped as if it were his money, then I continued 576.94. He offered , saying do you know how much ( what he called a loaded machine) a 110 cost $37,000.00. It was not much suprise to me.

Someone suggested that the dealer could give me a great deal on an implement. Well, I got a price on a tiller, called another dealer and he would sell it for 200.00 less than the guy I bought from, then could sell me a howard for even less. So I guess when they discount my purchases they add.

The other day I was at the dealership where I purchased my tractor and saw a used tiller. No one knew what the price of the tiller was. Said to call when the manager was there, so I called later, though the manager was not in. I asked the guy who answered the phone how much ,he said 1200. I thougth that was high for used and can buy a new Howard for 1800. at the other dealer. Well, I called back (where I made my 110 purchase) and spoke to the manager about some other attachments I'm interested in, which he could not tell me about, referred me to his subordinate. Well, thinking that I'm the only guy that has bougth a 110 from them I should get a special rate, It was special alright 1,350. For a used machine that was pretty well jammed up.

Well, there is a little dealer right down the road from me that I over look due to there size but there nice people. If I'm going to pay high prices I just as soon give them the business.

I want to keep a decent relationship with the dealer but give me a brake. At less give me face. When I walk into that dealership (purchase place) I can see them get straight faced, as not to smirch. It kind of hurts. "It is a good lessen, one that you can fell" . Hopefully ,I will do better next time if there should be one.

Thanks for the info on Hammond Tractor they seem like honest people. That comes from a measurable observation. I called at 3 of noon. They close at 12 noon. The lady that answer the phone said that he would return all his calls. He did from his home Saturday evening. He had my phone number so he knew I was 800 miles away if he brush me off it would have no real impact on his business and he still took time to call. That is note worthy, my dealer didnt even call me when the tractor came in. So, all you folks up in the great state of Maine get over to Hammond Tractor and get an honest price on a good machine. Bushy
 
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Bushy,
I know the whole purchase price with your machine has been an issue with you from the start,and rightly so I think.Now when I say this, keep in mind it is just an observation.It really sounds like your dealer took full advantage of you when you purchased your machine.Did you get pricing from other dealers?Like I said I shopped at 4 other dealers,very time consuming, but worth it in the end.I know you probably felt that your dealer was best suited to you because he was local and felt it best to support him with your purchase and down the line parts and service would be close.I have to say though in the last few years I have come to realize through numerous equipment purchases that in most cases (not all) the dealer just wants the money...bottom line....it's not about you,or your future with them as a customer,it is about getting your hard earned money,and as much as they can.I can't even begin to tell you how many countless hours I've spent doing research on any given purchase I have made.I do feel bad that you feel that you paid too much for the 110,because it probably doesn't feel as good as it should everytime you climb on knowing you paid too much.Think about it this way though,you bought a strong,powerful machine that has great features,and is backed by a good company,so if you do ever make another purchase,implement or other wise,don't be shy to shop around for it,make a bunch of calls to different dealers,they can ship just about anything these days,don't let one dealer spoil all your fun,thay aren't all out to get us.
 
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TAGS
I was wondering about a couple of the options you got on your 110. First, did you get the three point hitch with the tilt cylinders, and do you have the foot peddle for the backhoe hydraulic function? What is your take on these dealers who say a loaded 110 is 35-38k. Seems a little far fetched. I'm also waiting on the edge of my seat for your pricing on the Laurin cab. It looks awesome even at an awesome price.

I have also been contemplating the the 12gpm hydro situation, and I wonder if it would be possible to divert the 6gpm which runs the swing function to supplement. I do similar tricks with pumping systems for irrigation. I' actually hoping M. Chalkley will chime in with his solution to adding flow to his EF 5.
 
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Tags:

Thanks for the encouraging words.

When I was shopping for the 110, the dealer that I purchased it from, was the only one I could convince that there was such a tractor. The other dealers didn't know anything about the 110 or thought I was talking about 110 riding lawn mower.of the 1960s or 70s. Even the dealer I settled with was talking lawn tractor and loader by the 110 designation.

I got anxious with the purchase. I don't have alot of experience with the purchase of new stuff. It is a good lesson for me. I just need to vent alittle time to time. I hope my perspective is a fair assessment of the truth.

The other thing is, if it bring to light, the perils that I faced will probably be the perils that the next guy faces, when he makes a purchase, if it helps in anyway then I have served .

I don't have much of a poker face, in fact I refuse to play that way, when the sales manager got a bit sarcastic I responded with the truth about what I was going to bring to the deal. Not some smart answer.

I'm stopping by a little massey dealer tomorrow to get a price on a tiller. It just so happens that I was talking to a friend that has a agribusiness, he is looking for a tiller as well. Possibly we can put some business the way of the small Massey dealer. Maybe he can get a dealership with the manufacturer of these implements I'm interested in (Rock Hound, Harley, the manufacturer of auger for the boom ect.) Well I'll let you know what he has or can get. I have a friend that has a truck in Pa. once a week, he is willing to pick up and tranport.

I should ask the JD dealer what he would give me on a trade for a new 110. Let him explain the math to me on that one.
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Bushy, I never checked Hammond out for a price on my 110. I feel I got a fair price at 38K with the 4n1 bucket and all the other little goodies I ordered with it. They even threw in the belly pan and out rigger guards after the deal was made. It's well known my dealer does not give alot of deals but they needed to sell one so they could say they had. I bought a 7' bucket from Hammond for 300 less than my dealer. I bought an International rotary cutter from SSB tractor in New York delivered to me for 700 less than I could buy it locally. You have to shop around. I never assume someone is giving me a good deal or even a fair price. You have to do the leg work to find the right price. For some people it's not worth it , for me it is. This is a small state and all these guys are thriving no matter what brand they sell. I liked Hammond I'm thinking about getting my tractor serviced there. Its about 70 minutes away but on the Pike. Besides I can't stand the service manager at my dealer.
JOE GIVES THE BUCK A GOOD HOME.
 
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JoeReal:

I know Joe gives the buck a good home! I gave up 4 tractors for one, thinking it would be less responsibility all the way around. I find it difficult to function with out a second loader.

I've got a pipe dream going on of having a second tractor. Or some thing that can run hydralic attachments. Skid steer loader, tractor or something with rubber tires. Boomers are coming out with a compact tractor loader backhoe so I'm told. Should be in sight by January.

But then I got to thinking that a second 110 might be the answer. At first I was thinking a 4700 series with loader but then I thought a 110 with a cab, no hoe, I've got one. The 4600 or 4700 would not be compatable with the hoe. It would not matter where I dropped the hoe you would have a tractor to pick it up with.

The Boomer is a nice looking rig and I have had good technical support from the New Holland Company while trouble shooting hydraulic circuits regarding transnission pumps and motors on a 1979 skid steer loader. They consulted with me and then with the shop that did the work.

It is just a dream right how though most everthing has been a dream for me at frist. So I keep dreaming.

I will be shopping around this next time, for that matter, for attachments. When I was thinking of going with an L 48 I e-mailed a dealer near Canton NY about 70 miles north of me. Before they would talk tractor, they wanted to know wear I was located. When I responded to the e-mail ,stating where I was, they replied with a 3rd correspondence telling me of the dealer that was in my area 20 miles away. Though that dealer got an attitude when I asked him to start up an L35. When I pressed the 70 mile away dealer they responded with a nice price by e-mail. Then I heard about the JD 110.

So this shopping around is a bit peculiar. The big Kubota dealer down in the Carolinas would have had a tractor on a truck the next day for 800 in shipping. So guess what, in my travels I will be a picking and a grinnen. Cause I got the 10,000 dollar lessen, that is some schooling. Bushy
 
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Whoodle,
No, I did not get the tilt cylinders for thee three point hitch,but often think they would be handy to have,but I think the down fall to them is that they will "settle" and not hold the same position for an extended period of time,so thats why I didn't opt for them,and yes,I do have the peddle for the aux. function on the hoe.It is interesting that you mentioned the hydraulic flow issue,I myself have been wondering if the flow to the hoe(which I believe is rated at 26gpm)could be diverted to the front with a diverter valve and the proper plumbing,if that could be done,and not harm the hydraulic system,then you could run just about any attachment from a skid steer on the 110,maybe someone with some hydraulic knowledge will chime in.

As far as a dealer saying that a loaded 110 is going for 35-38k,I seriously doubt it,unless the dealer is from Canada,then there is a slight possibility,VERY slight! About the cab pricing,I have recieved 2 prices so far and am waiting for a couple more.The first price I got was from the dealer I bought my machine from,list for the cab is 4900,the backhoe compatibility kit is 525,that comes to 5425 plus 462 in shipping,which comes to a total of 5887,my dealer quoted me 5647, 240 bucks less than list.the other price I got was from another local dealer and he just gave me list pricing.My salesman did tell me though that they recieve a 20% discount from list,which means the cab costs them 4520,so I guess there is a chance you could find a dealer that will give you a better price,since there is some room there.If anyone happens to get a better price on one,see if they'll do better for two /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif!!
 
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I don't know if I have time this fall but I usually travel to Quebec which is where I was hatched. I know where there is a JD dealer in St Georges. Next time I'm out there I will stop and check them out. As far as price, these tractors are made in the USA. A product that they have to import. If it's Canadian made I can see a price differential. The cabs mentioned are made in Laval. That's about 6 hours from me. I can get to St George in under 4 hrs. I bring up stuff all the time . It's no big deal. Maybe they"ll give me a good price and then maybe not. I think the cab is very nice but too pricey for me. Bushy, As far as you getting a bad deal everybody goes through it. It would be a lot worse if you had bought a tractor you didn't like or gotten a good deal on a tractor you hated. You have to look at the positive side of things.
 
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Actually Tags, the total GPM flow of the 110 is 23.6 supplied by 3 separate pumps. With about 5 gpm dedicated to the power steering and, as with many hoes including my setup, one pump runs the hydraulics of the hoe cylinders and stabilizers while the other runs the swing. Total flow should be somewhere around 13 gpm to the hoes hydraulics. If you go to the JD website, they have a pretty good compare feature allowing you to compare the JD 110 to the Kubota L35 and L48. With only 43 gross HP, its going to be pretty tough to get much more in terms of hydraulic flow out of the tractor. The trade off is that the hydrostatic drive will pretty much eat up the power of the little diesel while in use. To run the loader hydraulics and push into a pile at the same time is going to pretty much max it out. Its a great trade off though, I would not give up the hydrostatic drive to have slightly higher hydraulic pump performance. If anyones still looking and waiting for a dealer to get a JD 110 in, my local dealer still has one in his yard, the tops getting a little sunburned. Outfitted with a 4N1 bucket, it will cost you around $42,000. Rat...
 
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Howdy Guys,
Down here in Texas, a phone call to two dealers led to phone quotes of $37,500 and $38,000 loaded with a 4 in 1 bucket, $35,500 without. No dealing required. I am not sure if additional features are on the machines you quoted, but that sounds like a great price.
 

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