Buying 1st Tractor for 65 acres (with photos)

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manosteel00

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Hi All -

I recently purchased a 65 acre property with a ranch home on it and several outbuildings. I've been looking at the site for a long time and I'm looking forward to hearing your valuable opinions. We are basically walking into this with zero experience in taking care of acreage.

The previous owner used a Kubota BX2650 but it looks like it is rather small. My budget is $10-20k and I'm assuming I'll end up buying used. I'm hoping to buy as much tractor as possible to do the following:

FEL work & Landscaping
Tree maintenance
Road & Trail maintenance
Shooting Range Construction
Food Plot Development
Snow plowing road and trails
Miscellaneous stuff I haven't even thought of yet

What would you recommend in my situation? There is only about 20-25 acres of higher land that I can drive the tractor on. However, there is a bordering 40-60 acre property coming up for sale soon that I would like to try to pick up as well. So far I've been drawn to Kubota's L, M, and MX series and JD's 3, 4 and 5 series. Also, any recommendations on what implements to start with?

Here is an aerial of the acreage. There is about 40 acres of wetland here that looks too wet to drive any vehicle through. It was froze up when I walked through it but there is a river that borders the south property line.



5 acre field where the home and outbuildings are. Some will be mowed and a food plot will be added.




Another 1-2 acre food plot area on the north center area of the property.



Gravel Road to maintain. It is about 500ft long and then there is another 1/2 mile of road to maintain going through the woods.



Pole Barn that I'm planning on storing the tractor in.



More gravel road



Road going through acreage

 
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   / Buying 1st Tractor for 65 acres (with photos) #2  
First off, welcome!

Do you know what brands have dealers within a reasonable drive? As someone new to tractors, you might need the help of a dealer with a service department. Generally speaking, when you use tractors you'll find a way to break something sooner or later, and not everyone has the tools and experience necessary to deal with that right away.

Now this is the part that will get some folks all kinds of upset and start arguing, but it's true. You will get more tractor for your dollar with brands other than Deere and Kubota. They make great machines, but pound for pound, and horsepower for horsepower, you pay more....often a lot more. If those are the only dealers nearby, it might make sense to stick with them, but at least go into it knowing what you're dealing with. When I bought the LS R4047H (47hp, HST tranny) I had for about 15mos (sold it to buy a backhoe) it would have cost $10K more to get an equivalent Deere or Kubota.

$20K wouldn't buy a big enough used Kubota for me if I had that much land, and those tasks. I'd probably have to double that figure....easily.

As far as size, I wouldn't go any smaller than something in the 40hp+ category....3,500lbs base tractor or more. If you could jump up to a Utility sized machine it would be even better. When you start talking about plowing half a mile of road, you don't want a small tractor, and a cab sure would be nice!

A big tractor can be a detriment when if you have a storage problem (low door) or need to get into small spaces like barn stalls, but other than that, it's usually a positive. Something else to consider is that when you're living farther out, it takes longer to get help, and bigger machines are less likely to get stuck. Granted, they can be a lot harder to get unstuck, but there's no easy way around that.

I'm not against used machines (most of mine have been) but it really helps to know what you're looking at when you get ready to buy. If you know someone who's familiar with tractors it might not be a bad idea to get their input.

Get as much seat time as possible on various machines because things that I don't think about might really bother you, and vice-versa.
 
   / Buying 1st Tractor for 65 acres (with photos) #3  
if you have tillable land. (farm field areas), higher it out / contract it out to local farmer in the area. larger machines / specialized machines are field working machines. you need more of a do it all maintenance of property machine.

own 77ish acres in illinois here.

skidsteers = too slow MPH. not worth it. they are maneuverable and good for tight spaces. but long runs, side to side of property and like just to slow.
telehandlers = could be nice. not specifically a tractor, but a lot of stuff can attach to them. only issue is 3pt hitch. some have 3pt hitch.
Versatile Tractors,Compact Tractors,Trailer Packages,Landscaping,Utility Vehicle Rentals,Mowers-Power Trac = everything attaches to the front. think combo between skidsteer and tractor. sells most stuff you could want for general maintenance of property.


suggest min of 2 tractors. 1 dedicated for mowing the lawn (small riding mower or like), and then 1 larger tractor for everything else.

4x4 / MFWD or like setups, would be recommended. to deal with snow / mud issues and keeping traction.

FEL (front end loader) of course. for bucket out in front. general duty bucket (NO light weight mulch bucket)
-- get some hooks weld or bolt on, for the bucket, across the top of it. (makes life easier in long run chaining stuff to bucket)

3pt hitch. TNT (top N tilt) replaces top link and side link (large screws to adjust 3pt hitch) with hydrualic cylinders. it is a costly little option, but makes road work and dirt work with grader/scrapers, back blades, box blades much easier to use, and adjust on fly to deal with ditches, curvature of road both around curves, but keeping a high spot in middle and lower edge sides of road. so water drains off of road.

you will need the extra check chains, sway bar/chains for 3pt hitch. rotatory cutters (bush hog many folks call), and some other 3pt hitch stuff will need the extra chains / bars so you do not damage the 3pt hitch and its linkages.

Tractor Attachments And Skid Steer Attachments For Any Tractor Or Skid Steer = a good spot to look at all the attachments for tractors. along with text and videos of use and adjustments.

snow blower for tractor are costly little items. you do not need them. and can be bought generally later in the future. if you want a grapler for FEL or snow blower that fits on FEL. you generally need a joystick with 3rd option button to operate grappler / snow blower.

get a min of 2 rear hydraulic ports on tractor, if you get TNT for 3pt hitch, then suggest min of 3 hydraulic rear ports.

if you be expecting to use a 12v electrical cable winch on tractor. double check to see if there is a larger alternator option for tractor. so you do not drain battery. cab tractors generally have larger alternator already installed.

backhoes are costly items, if you want a backhoe, get it with the tractor at same time on same reciept. you are more likely to get a bigger discount. and save on labor, when extra connections / valves / frame work is added to attach backhoe ((backhoes with subframes highly suggest if not required)) make sure it is a 3pt hitch backhoe that comes off, and you get access to 3pt hitch, some tractors backhoes do not come off. if you do get backhoe, make sure you get the extra links, sway bars, chains. so when you want to use 3pt hitch you have all the pieces there.

some folks, just save up jobs, and rent a mini ex (mini excavator) for a weekend warrior project, and hit multiple things in one go. myself not sure if i could give up not having backhoe. tree stumps, ditches, loading / unloading stuff from truck, some dirt work, etc.... again backhoe is costly item. determine your needs.

a cab is suggested, just because of the bloody wind chill in coldest of mornings, and night times. trying to clear the driveway. they are more expensive. but just having wind protection. even without a heater or a/c it makes life worth while. some sun shades and DIY and alternative soft cabs are out there.

tires, would most likely suggest R1 tires over industrial tires. R1 = large pizza cutter tires with knobs on them. industrial tires, are fat tires, and may not have much traction on snow/mud. there is con's and pro's to each. but if you need to drive over yard when it is wet then wait till it drys up a bit more to run R1 tires across it.

filled rear tires (liquid in tires) would be suggested. if lot of dirt work is planned. it may not be an option if backhoe is put on. some recommend industrial tires when backhoe is put on.

chains for rear tires might be suggest for snow.

split left and rear brakes (you can move a lever on brakes pedals to act as a single pedal, and then undo lever, so one pedal operates left rear tire, and another to operate right rear tire break). smaller tractors less likely to have feature. larger tractors more likely have it. ((for me it is a requirement, no if's, and's, or but's)) to many times front wheels simply not touching ground when using FEL, to not enough weight on front tires, to pulling something behind tractor and front tires not having enough grip. and the split rear brakes come in handy real quick. not to mention getting yourself unstuck in some mud. preference is making sure one foot operates brakes, and other foot operates gas pedal / HST forward/back pedal

transmission types, stay away from manual transmissions, they have there place, but you are more likely better off with a HST or other hydraulic like transmissions. and some gear ranges you can select. it is the being able to adjust the correct MPH, and inching forward slowly pending on task that HST shines. and a do it all tractor, you will have a lot of forward / backward driving. and sudden switching between forward / backwards motions (drive maintenance / snow) some tractors have a lever beside steering wheel. (kinda like a turn single lever), but you push it backwards/forward to change direction. vs using a HST forward/backward gas pedal.

if you have an option. get upper forward and rear lights, mounted on roll bar. (cab should auto come with high upper lights on front and back of it). during winter and getting home and sun has set. you will most likely need the lights. getting home any time of year, and trying to do the last bit of work right up to sun set. the lights come in handy. when ya hauling stuff back to the shed. and needing to unhook stuff and put it away for the night.

one other thing. get a cold starter / warmer package kit for tractor. newer tractors tend to have a glow plug in intake manifold, and if you hold key in a certain position the glow plug will be used (some times it is all automatically done), also get a engine block heater, that has a 110v plug, you connect to with extension cord. while new tractors doubtful to have an issue starting. it is the single digit and below Fahrenheit temps. and waking up in morning trying to get things going. cold batteries = less likely to crank engine over.

most of everything above is tractor itself. if buying new, even if buy used. get the options all together. or you end up paying some expensive trailer fees, and labor costs. if adding each one separately down the road.

3pt hitch equipment can all be had later on. and through different dealers / sellers. it is all interchangeable. exception of backhoe which is more tractor specific (see above).

some times more horse power with least amount of options is better option, and other times is is getting less horse power with all the little extra options that makes life easier. when trying to fit tractor into budget.

smaller tractors can do it all, just takes longer, but when it comes to pulling and lifting, then it is all horse power and rated lifting / pulling capacity of the tractor.

guessing 20hp power diesel tractor to low on HP, guessing 30HP to 40 HP range, gets you into bigger frame work with more an agriculture style frame work of a tractor. vs what looks like a oversize riding lawn mower. the AG framework tends to have a higher clearance between ground and underbelly of tractor, nice for snow/mud and getting through it. and you generally get the additional extras for overall controlling the machine (split brakes, other gear ranges to select, more pulling and lifting capacity)

50 to 80 hp range. and you are just paying for horse power and larger tractor. which you may or may not need. some folks due need more, due to dealing with livestock, and/or farm field work. a couple acre garden. is still a garden.

local dealers most likely will not allow you to dig with FEL and do other stuff to tractor. due to tractor being brand new and a test drive could scratch up the paint. and may only get to drive it around press the brakes. raise the front tires off ground with FEL.

TractorHouse.com | Used Tractors For Sale: John Deere, Case IH, New Holland, Kubota. used and new tractors, mostly geared to agiruclture for all the equipment listings. but tractors are same just different stuff attached to them to do different things. you might see if a local used tractor or 2 are near you, and test drive / use to see the power and like.

MachineryTrader.com | Backhoes for sale, skid steers, excavators, dozers. = sister sight of tractorhouse. and more for industrial equipment (what local towns / cities / folks in business might use) TLB (tractor loader backhoes = these backhoes normally do not come off for access for 3pt hitch. you will want access to 3pt hitch). telehandlers and other equipment.

craigslist: chicago jobs, apartments, personals, for sale, services, community, and events = searchtempest or other website to search multiple local cities at one time. tend to offer a lot of 3pt hitch and like attachments used, some tractors due show up.

if you are not mechanically inclined. suggest staying away from used tractors. if you are DIY'er / mechanically inclined, buy the shop manual for tractor, so you have the stuff to diagnose and figure out problem and how to tear it apart and put it back together right there.

buying used, tractorhouse was nice for me. found some tractors, loaded up address into GPS. and took a day and went looking at them all. same day. (ugly long drive)
the rubber on tires that is left, and/or if in bad condition can be an issue (tractor tires are expensive, 1,000 plus dollars pending on size), hydraulics (FEL / 3pt hitch), start up tractor let it warm up and test drive it. then raise FEL up off ground, shut tractor off and see how long it takes to drop, if it drops in a few minutes a little bit hydraulic cylinders to valves may need to be repaired. i would rather by a greased up dirty looking machine, were i can see leaks, and grease spots here and there, and overall maintenance done. vs a machine cleaned and freshly painted. check brakes on unit both left and right, and emergency brake. brakes are not at the wheel like on trucks / cars. be internal, and can be labor intensive to repair. check the gear ranges both forward and backwards, then recheck under a load. pulling something, or using FEL to dig into something. make sure tractor is warmed up first. cold tractor may not show issues as noticeable of slipping and like. check out person garage, to see if they even have grease guns, and filter tools, and like. to see if filters are more likely replaced, and preventive maintenance was done on unit. (greasing and like)

make sure you go try out a dozen tractors from different folks. some of it is high dollar crud. others are low used, low price. some are leaving a drip trail of oil behind them. some of them are loose as a goose, (joints in the FEL), to backhoe joints loose. loose being, you let go of joystick, but takes a few more inches or more for stuff to stop moving.

there be websites like uship and like websites to get access to someone to pickup and deliver tractor.

new tractors, it can be more of who is a local dealer for warranty issues and maintenance. the cost of trailing tractor to and from your home most likely not covered and you pay for the travel cost.

simply finding a local dealer for getting parts / service is a huge plus.
 
   / Buying 1st Tractor for 65 acres (with photos) #4  
Welcome and I'm super jealous of the acreage lol.

I agree with Bart, I would go with a 40+ HP tractor, that's a nice size for good loader work and strong enough to pull good size implements like a disk, seed drill ext.

I would most deff have pallet forks, there super handy for lots of jobs, a bucket obviously and a land plane or land leveler for the gravel driveway.

You can ask advise from 100 diff guys on brand of tractor and you will get 190 different answer to the best brand.

LS, Case and New Holland are one company CNH owned mainly by LG (formally LS and makes LS tractors) and Fiat, so pick any of those and there basically the same tractor with diff bodywork.

Around here new, Mahindra was best bang for the buck, they were in the non grand and E series price range but was better equipped and gave the grand L and R series a run for there money.

One thing with buying a used tractor is you have to be patient and be ready to buy when a deal comes up, your not likely going to go out and find a well taken care of tractor for a reasonable price.

Service records and previous owners knowledge goes a long way in determining how well a piece of equipment was taken care of.

When your running bush hogs, chippers and pulling you have to be more concerned about HP, for loader work it's just hydraulic flow rates and FEL capacity to be concerned about.

You will get more bang for your buck with a 2wd older manual tranny tractor like this Ford 5000 75hp tractor
ford 5 tractor restored

Then you can get away with a smaller loader tractor.

Or just go with a larger "all in one" larger tractor with higher hours like this Tn65 new holland 4wd

It just depends on what's in your area and how it was taken care of.

I paid 24k for my 05 4320 just last year with 830 hours, it would handle all you plan to do but is a bit above your budget.

Good luck with your endeavor.

Also just a FYI you can save money be going tax except on the tractor, since I use my tractor for feeding and raising livestock (cattle and chickens) I went tax exempt and saved $1600. But in order to do that the tractor must be used for farming as a business(income that's taxable), tilling land ext, mowers and equipment for personal use are not tax exempt in Ohio. If you grow crop on the tillable land you would be considered tax exempt by ohio's standards and seed drill, disk, chisel plow would all be tax write offs. Just another thing to look into.
 
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I also think you will need adequate horsepower to do the jobs that will come up over the years, at minimum 40 hp, preferably more. 4x4 and front end loader are indispensable. Don't forget 2 hydraulic outputs to run a lot of equipment you'll want later. With your budget restrictions you almost have to stay in the used tractor area.
I never had much luck buying a used tractor through a dealership as often someone traded that tractor for a reason. I would want a nice trial period and a long warranty as a dealership must charge you more.
Farm auctions fall into 2 categories in my mind. Dispersal auctions are going out of business sales; the farmer couldn't cut it anymore, the equipment tends to have a lot of hours and hard usage, and since money was tight maintenance may have been shortcut. Estate auctions on the other hand... Most of us don't plan on dying (pretty ghoulish of me).
And there is always Craigslist. I bought a 51 hp tractor with 160 hours from a guy who purchased it to build his house and landscape the property. Maybe a year and a half old, great condition, the right bells and whistles, and a big balance with New Holland credit. I still love it 19 years later. Be alert to tractor scams on Craigslist as it's chocked full of them. There's another thread somewhere about them. Happy shopping.
 
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All I will say is its a juggling act getting something large enough for all that field work like food plots and such but small enough to be handy around the house and outbuildings.
 
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Understanding that the purchase of this property was likely a big outlay, you might have decent luck if you purchased new, using the great financing/incentives going on currently and then keeping that $20k liquid to make the initial payments, implement purchases, or park it back in your rainy-day fund.

You can always pay loans off early, but I think if you don't get 'enough' tractor the first time around, you will be disappointed.
 
   / Buying 1st Tractor for 65 acres (with photos) #8  
DEMO, look for returns on a lot if your nearby dealer is large enough, best way to save money & have a warranty.
LEASE, you can lease it for 2-3 years with any amount of hours you want(300 typical), at the end, buy or return it.
USED, be somewhat proficient with tools & get a good manual.
4X4 & around 40 HP as already mentioned would be about right being part of it is to wet to work. If you go the cab route, you'll have extra trim work to do in the wooded areas.

Great looking place.

Ronnie
 
   / Buying 1st Tractor for 65 acres (with photos) #9  
Hi All -

I recently purchased a 65 acre property with a ranch home on it and several outbuildings. I've been looking at the site for a long time and I'm looking forward to hearing your valuable opinions. We are basically walking into this with zero experience in taking care of acreage.

The previous owner used a Kubota BX2650 but it looks like it is rather small. My budget is $10-20k and I'm assuming I'll end up buying used. I'm hoping to buy as much tractor as possible to do the following:

FEL work & Landscaping
Tree maintenance
Road & Trail maintenance
Shooting Range Construction
Food Plot Development
Snow plowing road and trails
Miscellaneous stuff I haven't even thought of yet

What would you recommend in my situation? There is only about 20-25 acres of higher land that I can drive the tractor on. However, there is a bordering 40-60 acre property coming up for sale soon that I would like to try to pick up as well. So far I've been drawn to Kubota's L, M, and MX series and JD's 3, 4 and 5 series. Also, any recommendations on what implements to start with?

Here is an aerial of the acreage. There is about 40 acres of wetland here that looks too wet to drive any vehicle through. It was froze up when I walked through it but there is a river that borders the south property line.<snip>
So to clarify you only have 20+ acres to maintain at the moment (with the possibility of another 40+ in the near future) and a budget of 20K or less. And of that 20+ acres about 10 are already taken up by a field, food plot and buildings.

The BX is rather small.

If you are comfortable taking out a big loan by all means buy new. I would expect by the time you add to a 40+ HP tractor a FEL, a bucket, a grapple, pallet forks, a box blade, a plow and a cab you could be looking at $10K for implements, maybe $20K.

I was in a similar situation but I preferred to take out the loans for more land and bought this 50HP kubota in 2013 from Public Surplus auction for about $12K.

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It's required about $1K in "repairs", (2 front tires for $600, some hoses etc.) but plays well in my woods.

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So the bargains are out there, but it may take a deal of looking. At the same time I purchased the M4700 I ws looking at buying a 40HP Kubota from Barlows for about $16K.
 

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Manosteel, you will get lots of good and sometimes conflicting advice here as you ramp up your knowledge of tractors and property maintenance. Be aware that there are likely to be many divergent opinions that oddly are not necessarily wrong. There is not only one solution to your problem. That said, here is my 2 cents:

1) Your 10-20K budget is unrealistic unless you are a professional diesel mechanic with lots of tractor experience and can fix/maintain and older tractor. Ideally you'd double your budget but more realistically, as another poster has suggested, you might be better off using your budget to purchase used implements and simply finance a new tractor. If you can make $500-600/month payments you will be able to purchase an appropriately sized new compact utility tractor with loader that will likely serve you for the rest of your days.

2) In theory you could manage your land with a single horse and plow but realistically you will want to run six foot implements and will find the sweet spot in tractor size at about 40 HP or so. Nothing wrong with a 35hp machine and I'd much rather have a 30hp tractor than nothing but 40hp is a sweet spot for many tractor lines. Bigger frame and adequate horsepower. No particular need for more than 50hp. Talk to people who manage a similar sized property to understand what the practical issues are in accomplishing your routine tasks. Does it really matter to you whether mowing 5 acres at a time takes you two versus two and a half hours? Don't overbuy. (You'll get lots of help pushing you to buy "more HP" here on TBN...keep that advice in perspective).

3) If you want a JD or Kubota, add 10K to your budget/loan. Other brands like Mahindra, Kioti, LS are excellent machines and better bang for the buck. Don't be afraid of names you haven't heard of, investigate what folks here on TBN have been saying about those "value" brands for the past ten years to judge for yourself issues like reliability and owner satisfaction.

4) Don't focus too much on horsepower. Tractor frame size, weight and loader capacity will have at least, if not more, influence on what you can get done efficiently with a tractor.

5) Used implements are a good deal. Most implements can be had used and are essentially fully depreciated when you buy them used. If you spend $3000 on a brand new Woods/Landpride/Bush Hog mower and the size doesn't work for you, you will lose close to half the cost when you trade it in or sell it used a few years later. If you buy a used version of the same implement, you will pay half and if you change your mind you can sell it for pretty close to what you paid.

6) Used tractors are not necessarily a good deal. Yes, there are some bargains out there but not many. If you don't know tractors well you are at a disadvantage in spotting issues when buying used. Used tractors make sense if you simply cannot afford to pay more for a new one. Otherwise consider that you will forgo manufacturer subsidized financing, warranty and a clear maintenance history if you buy used (most of the time). Used cars are a total bargain at 3 years of age when they can be purchased for about 50% of what a new one costs. A three year old tractor will cost you about 80% of what you'd pay new and still be missing most warranty coverage and financing options etc.

7) There will be some projects that are better done with rented equipment or even hired out to a local contractor or farmer. Consider those one time projects carefully before buying an expensive implement that may sit around unused most of the time. I own a backhoe that I use (and need) about three times a year. If I could conveniently just hire a mini excavator it would be cheaper for me to do that than own a $10,000 backhoe (but my tractor is on an island so I cannot easily transport a mini excavator so I own the BH).

8) Having a good dealer is very useful, you'll want advice after the sale too. Having that dealer be close by is a convenience but not critical. UPS and FedEx can get you maintenance supplies. A cell phone and a cooperative dealer can help you diagnose small problems without requiring that the tractor be taken to a dealership. Routine maintenance on a tractor is easy. All of the brands discussed here are very reliable. Lots of help for newbies here on TBN. My Kioti DK40se has never been back to any dealership in the ten plus years that I've owned it.

9) Remember, you'll get lots of advice here and some may seem contradictory. In all likelihood, what seems contradictory is mostly argument about personal opinion on "best" options, most of us would agree on what is a "good" option.

10) If this is a year round residence then consider getting a cab tractor. Dealing with snow on an open station tractor isn't fun. A cab will cost you an additional 10K but IMO would be worth it if this is a 24/7/365 tractor necessary to clear roads in the winter. If the property is just a summer or three season retreat then open station tractor is perfectly adequate.

Good luck with your research and purchase.
 

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