Buying Used

   / Buying Used #51  
The only problem with your argument and I agree with you for the most part is the lemon tractor. Unless you are buying a brand new model most tractors have been out for awhile most haven’t changed since tier 4 was added so we know which models are good but buying new or used you can get the one tractor built on a Friday that everything seems to go wrong. With new yo7 have a warranty and buyer protection to make it somewhat better not so much with a used equipment.
 
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The only problem with your argument and I agree with you for the most part is the lemon tractor. Unless you are buying a brand new model most tractors have been out for awhile most haven稚 changed since tier 4 was added so we know which models are good but buying new or used you can get the one tractor built on a Friday that everything seems to go wrong. With new yo7 have a warranty and buyer protection to make it somewhat better not so much with a used equipment.

There are a couple of things that work strongly in favor of the used tractor buyer right now. A big part of that is that tractors are low rpm machines designed to last and to be rebuildable. Along with that, the older tractors are simple to inspect, diagnose, and fix mechanically.

With the exception of the computer fuel control, and the emissions systems, the traditional geared and powershift tractors are pretty much the same today as they were 40/50 years ago. Implements, loaders, backhoes, PTOs, and 3pts haven't changed in longer than that. The equivalent sized 20/30 year old tractor is likely to do the same job in only a slightly different way as a brand new one. That's part of why they retain value.
rScotty
 
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   / Buying Used #53  
New versus Used is primarily a confidence decision.

Confidence & Risk Acceptance
Are you confident in the ability to cope with what may come? Have you considered the risks, and implemented mitigations or compensating controls? When something breaks, the result is downtime. How much downtime in this aspect of your life can you sustain? If a failure doesn't directly impact your livelihood, how damaging is that downtime? If you determine that downtime is acceptable, and/or if you're confident of your ability to resolve issues, you are likely open to accept higher risks in trade for upfront savings (e.g. buying a used or less-reputable product).

Features
A secondary factor in the new versus used selection process is driven by features, where many new features are exaggerated in value to convince those who have tractors, and those looking for tractors, now is the time to buy the newest, shiny tractor. Forget about those old tractors, and don't wait for tomorrow's tractors, you need a new tractor that has this or that feature, right now, today! When reading about a tractor and its list of features, ask yourself, does this feature get the job done any faster or safer? Does this feature do something differently that I'm already capable of doing? Is this feature hyped as if its important, but its not actually going to make your life any better, at your specific property and conditions? If you're not going to use a given feature, don't let the marketing trolls convince you the feature has value.

Budget
A third factor is simple dollars and sense. If you can't afford new, you're in the market for used. There's no negative to this fact. We call this reality. Don't let a salesman, advertiser, or other spawn of the devil trick you into taking on a larger debt than you can manage. Nobody should live tractor-poor unless the tractor is directly related to their livelihood. If your tractor is your primary income source and your tractor-poor, then get to back to work and stop reading forums on the Internet. Many of us drove a used car long before we could afford a new car. There's no shame in buying used, especially for tractors. Many people recommend buying a used car for new drivers, and some people only buy used cars, as there are good odds for tangible savings as a direct result of the high depreciation associated with cars. Tractors may not depreciate as quickly as cars, but there is always more room to negotiate hard when buying used.

Note - as a result of COVID chaos, if manufacturing and supply chain issues aren't returned to normal soon, the asking price for used tractors is likely to climb in some markets, as scarcity sets in with fewer new tractors available. Dealers may start asking above MSRP for new tractors in some areas if competition continues to be thwarted by COVID madness.

Saving money by spending money
Price perspective - if you're the type of person that buys a used car to replace your old car, or you buy new cars from brands with lower market share in pursuit of a lower sticker price, do not go buy a new tractor from a popular brand like JD or K. People who are goal-oriented first and foremost around a lower purchase price that are looking for a tractor should definitely consider buying used and/or a lower market share brand. One of the most popular trends on TBN is the common meme that there is no "bad" tractor brand.


Buying new versus used, one buyer's opinion:

As a first-time tractor owner, having no workshop with tools nor a welder at the property (yet), I recently pursued new equipment primarily as a risk mitigation measure, compared to what I may encounter buying used. Fortunately, my budget at this time allowed for new. Given a reduced budget, I would've sought out a lightly-used, smaller tractor, or continued to wait on buying, while renting equipment when needed, and hiring others as needed. My use for the tractor isn't (yet) directly related to livelihood, so this is a discretionary purchase, and must be deferred if it didn't fit in the budget.

New comes with a warranty that guarantees if something fails in the near-term, it will be replaced at minimal to no cost. This isn't much different than buying an automobile. Would you buy a new car, or used car, if you don't have access to a garage, nor experience with engine and transmission repair?

A contributing factor in buying new was related to mortality. We're all getting older. How much longer am I willing to live without the tractor lifestyle? Am I looking for a tractor to work on it, or to spend most of my time using the tractor on the land? I'm at a crossroads where I could spend time at the ranch with a tractor, buy a sports car, or pursue an affair with a younger woman. In any event, the wife is happy that I've opted to buy a tractor and spend time working the land.

For those with facilities to perform repair work, confidence in their mechanical skills, and time available to find a good deal, buying used agriculture equipment may provide a much better value over new. This is especially true for implements, which are primarily steel with a very long lifecycle. A bit of rust should not dissuade you, so long as the force-bearing structure of the implement remains strong. Tractors and implements are tools. The value of a tool should be measured first by its ability to effectively perform work. All other details are secondary to performing real work. Is a shovel with a bit of surface rust no longer good at digging?

After I've established a workshop at the property with tools, and build up experience maintaining the tractor, I'll have the confidence to buy used in the future. If I buy a second tractor, I'll look at used equipment first. For the implements I haven't yet bought, I'm already spending time looking for deals on used equipment (especially for disc harrows which tend be expensive new, not always available to rent, and something I'll likely use rarely).

Note - if the budget allows, and for those who enjoy repair projects, owning two or more used tractors can provide high availability so long as one of the tractors remains operational. I suspect some of the owners on TBN that list multiple tractors are in this category, where they've built up a collection of tractors and enjoy fixing things when something breaks. We should all aspire to level-up in that direction over time!
 
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   / Buying Used #54  
New versus Used is primarily a confidence decision.

Confidence & Risk Acceptance
Are you confident in the ability to cope with what may come? Have you considered the risks, and implemented mitigations or compensating controls? When something breaks, the result is downtime. How much downtime in this aspect of your life can you sustain? If a failure doesn't directly impact your livelihood, how damaging is that downtime? If you determine that downtime is acceptable, and/or if you're confident of your ability to resolve issues, you are likely open to accept higher risks in trade for upfront savings (e.g. buying a used or less-reputable product).

Features
A secondary factor in the new versus used selection process is driven by features, where many new features are exaggerated in value to convince those who have tractors, and those looking for tractors, now is the time to buy the newest, shiny tractor. Forget about those old tractors, and don't wait for tomorrow's tractors, you need a new tractor that has this or that feature, right now, today! When reading about a tractor and its list of features, ask yourself, does this feature get the job done any faster or safer? Does this feature do something differently that I'm already capable of doing? Is this feature hyped as if its important, but its not actually going to make your life any better, at your specific property and conditions? If you're not going to use a given feature, don't let the marketing trolls convince you the feature has value.

Budget
A third factor is simple dollars and sense. If you can't afford new, you're in the market for used. There's no negative to this fact. We call this reality. Don't let a salesman, advertiser, or other spawn of the devil trick you into taking on a larger debt than you can manage. Nobody should live tractor-poor unless the tractor is directly related to their livelihood. If your tractor is your primary income source and your tractor-poor, then get to back to work and stop reading forums on the Internet. Many of us drove a used car long before we could afford a new car. There's no shame in buying used, especially for tractors. Many people recommend buying a used car for new drivers, and some people only buy used cars, as there are good odds for tangible savings as a direct result of the high depreciation associated with cars. Tractors may not depreciate as quickly as cars, but there is always more room to negotiate hard when buying used.

Note - as a result of COVID chaos, if manufacturing and supply chain issues aren't returned to normal soon, the asking price for used tractors is likely to climb in some markets, as scarcity sets in with fewer new tractors available. Dealers may start asking above MSRP for new tractors in some areas if competition continues to be thwarted by COVID madness.

Saving money by spending money
Price perspective - if you're the type of person that buys a used car to replace your old car, or you buy new cars from brands with lower market share in pursuit of a lower sticker price, do not go buy a new tractor from a popular brand like JD or K. People who are goal-oriented first and foremost around a lower purchase price that are looking for a tractor should definitely consider buying used and/or a lower market share brand. One of the most popular trends on TBN is the common meme that there is no "bad" tractor brand.


Buying new versus used, one buyer's opinion:

As a first-time tractor owner, having no workshop with tools nor a welder at the property (yet), I recently pursued new equipment primarily as a risk mitigation measure, compared to what I may encounter buying used. Fortunately, my budget at this time allowed for new. Given a reduced budget, I would've sought out a lightly-used, smaller tractor, or continued to wait on buying, while renting equipment when needed, and hiring others as needed. My use for the tractor isn't (yet) directly related to livelihood, so this is a discretionary purchase, and must be deferred if it didn't fit in the budget.

New comes with a warranty that guarantees if something fails in the near-term, it will be replaced at minimal to no cost. This isn't much different than buying an automobile. Would you buy a new car, or used car, if you don't have access to a garage, nor experience with engine and transmission repair?

A contributing factor in buying new was related to mortality. We're all getting older. How much longer am I willing to live without the tractor lifestyle? Am I looking for a tractor to work on it, or to spend most of my time using the tractor on the land? I'm at a crossroads where I could spend time at the ranch with a tractor, buy a sports car, or pursue an affair with a younger woman. In any event, the wife is happy that I've opted to buy a tractor and spend time working the land.

For those with facilities to perform repair work, confidence in their mechanical skills, and time available to find a good deal, buying used agriculture equipment may provide a much better value over new. This is especially true for implements, which are primarily steel with a very long lifecycle. A bit of rust should not dissuade you, so long as the force-bearing structure of the implement remains strong. Tractors and implements are tools. The value of a tool should be measured first by its ability to effectively perform work. All other details are secondary to performing real work. Is a shovel with a bit of surface rust no longer good at digging?

After I致e established a workshop at the property with tools, and build up experience maintaining the tractor, I値l have the confidence to buy used in the future. If I buy a second tractor, I値l look at used equipment first. For the implements I haven稚 yet bought, I知 already spending time looking for deals on used equipment (especially for disc harrows which tend be expensive new, not always available to rent, and something I値l likely use rarely).

Note - if the budget allows, and for those who enjoy repair projects, owning two or more used tractors can provide high availability so long as one of the tractors remains operational. I suspect some of the owners on TBN that list multiple tractors are in this category, where they've built up a collection of tractors and enjoy fixing things when something breaks. We should all aspire to level-up in that direction over time!

Factor downtime carefully. Theres so many different uses for equipment. For example. If my backhoe goes down on a construction project, its not usually a big problem, but if a used hay baler or tractor goes down with 100 tons of hay on the ground and rain coming tomorrow, that is a BIG problem. I am at the stage in life where I try my very best to keep farming equipment reliable and once it becomes unreliable, its got to go. Life is too short to be laying in a field in 100* heat with crawling with bugs to be fixing junk anymore. I'm making hay to make money, not for relaxation or beer money (and theres NOTHING wrong with doing that).
Same thing with snowplowing. I try to make " in the moment " emergency type equipment really reliable and up to date.
Construction or mowing equipment? I can take a little more risk on reliability, but not a lot more.
Age does play into the process. Life IS short. Every year older I get, I want less and less wrenching and more and more reliability. More reassurance, less unpredictability.
 
   / Buying Used #55  
If the tractor business is any thing like the car business, I'm told it's much easier for marginal buyers to get a new car loan, no money down, as apposed to a used car loan.

Not much makes common sense to me and this adds to the list.
 
   / Buying Used #56  
I've said it B4 but will say again.

Buying used (unless you are a mechanic) the best advice would be to hire an experienced mechanic to do an inspection B4 you plunk down your hard earned $$'s.
His 1-2 hour fee might just be the best $'s you ever spend.

I did just that and in my case paid off big time.
(when I bought a 'dozer)

Back then I often did remote inspections for light aircraft buyers and every time I much more than justified my moderate fee.
Aircraft log books reveal lots of history and record all maintenance (or lack of).
Some overlooked directives can get very pricy to rectify while a well maintained aircraft keeps its price.
 
   / Buying Used #57  
It's a machine. It is going to break...that is not an IF but a WHEN.

My reality (where I live), is used tractors that "appear" to be in good shape do not offer enough of a saving to warrant taking the risk. My first was an abused 30 year old JD855 with 1100 hours and I spent $2500 getting it in decent shape...not perfect or even close...but decent. I got it cheap and did not lose any money on it, but it was frustrating.

I have never regretted buying the new LS 18 mouths ago. At my age (70) saving $5-6k on a lifetime investment is not a priority. For the next 5 years, I know if I have a problem it will be fixed at no charge. If it still is running great when the warranty expires, I will keep it. If not, some "fool" will give me $5-6k less than I paid for it and I will get something else with a warranty. Losing $1-1.5k a year on a tractor is worth the peace of mind for me.
 
   / Buying Used #58  
There's more than a few threads from people who bought used equipment and found out the hard way why the previous owner sold it. While tractors are repairable there's lots of expensive parts that the average guy can't easily repair. For example how many people have forgotten to check the oil levels before using a tractor? The usual cure is to top it off when you notice it and hope it's not a problem. If the engine or HST starts to act differently or making a noise that it never made how many people would just sell it while it was still working vs repair it? A common thing when I was a kid cleaning cars at a used car lot was to dump motor honey into the engine and radiator seal into the cooling system. Even the one owner who has all the records still could have done damage.

I watched a guy with an HST tractor who would just push the pedal to the floor while trying to get a load of dirt. Not for a few seconds but for at least for a half minute each time to try and get a full bucket. He was in too high of a gear so the tires weren't spinning and the hydro was screaming like a like girl (which is why I noticed him and watched). It took him about a minute to dump each load of dirt and return to the huge pipe. This went on for hours. One can only guess how hot that fluid got or how much wear he put on it. I'm sure if I asked him he would have said that's how to use a hydro transmission. You may pay less and you may get a great deal but on occasion you buy the sins of the previous owner.
 
   / Buying Used #59  
There's more than a few threads from people who bought used equipment and found out the hard way why the previous owner sold it. While tractors are repairable there's lots of expensive parts that the average guy can't easily repair. For example how many people have forgotten to check the oil levels before using a tractor? The usual cure is to top it off when you notice it and hope it's not a problem. If the engine or HST starts to act differently or making a noise that it never made how many people would just sell it while it was still working vs repair it? A common thing when I was a kid cleaning cars at a used car lot was to dump motor honey into the engine and radiator seal into the cooling system. Even the one owner who has all the records still could have done damage.

I watched a guy with an HST tractor who would just push the pedal to the floor while trying to get a load of dirt. Not for a few seconds but for at least for a half minute each time to try and get a full bucket. He was in too high of a gear so the tires weren't spinning and the hydro was screaming like a like girl (which is why I noticed him and watched). It took him about a minute to dump each load of dirt and return to the huge pipe. This went on for hours. One can only guess how hot that fluid got or how much wear he put on it. I'm sure if I asked him he would have said that's how to use a hydro transmission. You may pay less and you may get a great deal but on occasion you buy the sins of the previous owner.

I am a lucky person because my father and a few farmers and construction company owners taught me at a young age to care for equipment and it will care for you. I take care of my equipment better than the average owner and know this for a fact because almost everything Ive bought new has never broken due to misuse or negligence. However, many of my used pieces have unexplained and unusual failures. Im talking about probably over 100 pieces of farm & construction equipment over a 30+ year period.
 
   / Buying Used #60  
Owner who mistakenly puts gasoline in his diesel tank - you might be buying
Owner who has never changed oil except for engine oil - you may be buying
Owner who failed to service his air cleaner - you may get it
Some are just lemons the owner is trying to get as much as possible so he can get a new one
My L5740 went on trade when the not uncommon in that model leak from the fwd shaft seal into the clutch housing got so bad it was a stream instead of a drip. At least I let the dealer know and we made the trade based on that needing repair. The prospective buyer did call me - I told him but the dealer had already told him it was being repaired. Not all are that honest.
But that L5740 was purchased new, was traded at 800 hours with several significant downtime repairs. The L6060 that replaced it is now at 650 hours with no downtime repairs.
 

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