Traction bx2200 traction

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fishman

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I have been studying the weights of the various tractors, and it looks like the bx2200 is within a hundred pounds or so of the b2410. Any reason why a person couldn't make up this difference with wheel weights and liquid ballast? If traction is the main difference between the bx and the smaller b series (overlooking the obvious advantages of higher FEL and 3 pt capacity) wouldn't this serve to close the gap between them? I know that the larger engine of the b2410 will have more torque, but bx proponents indicate that lugging the engine on their machine is not the problem, traction is. Therefore, by definition, torque would be sufficient for a much higher work load. I know that Carver indicates the b2410 is "3 times the tractor" of the bx2200, but perhaps that is not the case. Opinions?

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I know that I never said traction was a problem with my BX! It only weighs 200 lbs less than the 2410 and is about equal weight to the 7500. Why would it have less traction? The smaller tires (diameter) do produce slightly less contact area but the tires the BX is outfitted with seem awfully wide for their diameter perhaps making up for that in part. I have not had a traction problem pulling my 48 inch box blade or anything else. It does about as well as any 1300 lb bare tractor would be expected--with box blade and loader it is about 2200 lbs and if you where to add the wheel weights gosh you may be over 2500 lbs up for battle. It will not out pull a 2410 simply due to the lesser cubic inches, the 2410 will have more torque and a slight traction edge and the BX is about equal to the 7500. I had a 7500 here for a weekend, it would spin on a slippery hill and the BX does not, course going into 4WD neither unit spun and each had gobs of traction. The engine on the BX is not a problem either--it is a Kubota diesel tractor engine and performs as such. Neither the 7500 or 2410 have the manuverability that the BX has--it is a fact--- and it is also a fact those units have 3-point and FEL advantages--which is more important to your needs is the question that should be asked. The 2410 is great but it would not get under my deck, mow tight around my trees, cut in on the foundation beds, go tight into my fence corners, get on the side of my lagoon and down in my front ditch or weave in and out of my Pampas grasses like a big slalom or get in my small area of woods without removing the ROPS and stuff like that. J
 
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hey,
does carver dislike the bx? sure seems so with his comparison. after reading it, one might think the bx is a wimp. i dont think so, i drove the bx2200 and the b7500 and think the bx is more tractor except for loader and 3pt work. i almost bought the b7500 until i read all these guys posts about the bx. i figgered i would at least give it a chance and went up and played with one, man was i shocked. when i get mine im gonna find a b7500 and chain up the hitches and put 67 more pounds on mine and have a tug o war. i wonder what one will win?
rich
 
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There are ways to increase traction: tires, weight, chains. To tell you the truth, the BX with turf tires has been fine for my use. Now, there have been times when the tires spin, but I just adjust to the situation. For example, when running a middle buster recently to break up sod for a new garden. First two passes were fine. But as the soil got soft (ripped up), I started slipping. Adjusted by raising the plow a little to not run so deep. (Considering chains myself).

I also don't understand the 3x more either. It may be true, it may be not. I don't know, and neither do they. I like metrics. That is, by what measurements is the 3 to 1 determined? Like anything else, one can say the world is flat, and that's a fact. It something else to show how, and why. Then, you have to put your money where your mouth is.


Roy
 
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What is "Carver"? Is it a web site?
Well, I am not going to start a flame war agaisnt the very nice 7500 but if I were a betting man I would bet even money on a pulling contest between the two. I know a 7500 could pull a 25 horse Craftsman at full speed backwards but tie up to a BX and and it will be a fight. I tore a stump out of the ground today with my BX, surprised me it's authority. I have the bar tires which helps. J
 
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I think the BX2200 has a problem with traction. Lately with the good weather I can't get my wife to come in at night on "her" BX. I have to go hook up a tow strap and tow her in with the L35. She of course resists, but the tires on the BX just spin. Sometimes she puts the loader bucket down and I have to add a little more throttle, but nothing seems to slow things down. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

The BX reminds me of my XR100 Honda dirt bike. I had a 100, 200 and 500, friends had 200-500. We would take them all out to ride. Everybody laughed at the 100, but nobody wanted to get off of it when they were on it. It went everywhere the bigger bikes went, just not as fast. When it got stuck it was much easier to lift out.

del
 
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TresCrows; They are a website and a Kubota Dealer, and it's very easy to get there from here… You can find their links all around this site: > Home > "Hot Deals".

They recently changed their site, though. Actually, I like it a lot better (it use to take too long and load, and was a pain to navigate). When I went through it (about a week ago), I didn't run into the infamous table showing my grandmother was 500x the tractor the BX is /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif. Also gone, or I didn't see, the Pings and Volvos banner that I have made reference to in the past. Must say though, while they were on the site, they didn't irk me at all. I looked at it like comedians see politicians, humor potential. Now I am going to have to find a new source for BX-satire /w3tcompact/icons/frown.gif. Craver's have posted some good information on this site, so I took it without offense.

Del… If my wife was running around late with the BX, I wouldn't pull her in. I would look at as a great opportunity to crack open a beer, watch some TV or read a book, in peace /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif.

<How could Maryland blow that lead against Duke? Well, at least the ACC fell to the ACC.>


Roy
 
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Yea, the Carver site. I am not irked, just amused. I come from a science background and find those numbers amusing and of no real significance. I suspect a measure of "old-fart-itous" has set in for one thing with whoever wrote that piece. Call the BX a GT, a sub tractor, a sub compact or whatever but lets look at the facts. The 2410 will outperform the BX in every catagory except in close mowing. With a 72 inch deck at 6 MPH it will cut an open area faster than a BX but then get into tight areas and I think the BX would pull ahead. FEL work, the BX bites 480 lbs and the 2410 with the 352 loader 960lbs--not 3X but 2X--so it would be reasonable to think a 2410 could move the dirt twice as fast other things being equal, with a Boxscraper the 2410 has an advantage with position control and optional top and tilt that would definitly speed things up plus it could use a 54 inch vs a 48 inch--a definite advantage. The 2410 has 68 cube inch engine vs about 55 for the BX so under heavy load it will outperform the BX. The 7500 does not have so clear an advatage with the 302 loader 660 vs 480 lbs for the BX and that is not twice as much! Could you imagine three expert tractor guys each on a BX vs a neophyte like myself on a 2410 or 7500 all by my lonesome. It would not even be a contest--it would be a joke. The BX's would be scurring around like Keystone cops and I would still be trying to figure out which way is up. I think old man Carver's mouth is writing checks his butt cannot cash /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif. Take the same diesel Kubota engine out of earlier tractors in the B7 series and turn it up on the governor for more horsepower and somehow all of a sudden it is less engine--I do not think so--whatever floats his boat. J
 
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JRW; It's been a slow, uphill battle for respect, but the BX is getting there /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif. I don't blame the detractors one bit. If there are no actual use data, people make predictions and assumptions, based upon instincts. I remember the first day that I posted on TBN. Since there were no owners, and no one had actually reported even seeing the prototype, people went by presumptions. I remember the phrase 'BX would be OK if you want to promenade around the neighborhood'.

Due to scheduling, my family and I had to split up for church today. I got to go by myself, which meant that I took another route home, which just happened to put me past a JD dealer and a Cub & Case dealer /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif. At the JD dealer, I looked in the window. They had a JD 455 with a 60" deck for $10,200! Now, there is something I'm sure nether of us understand /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif.

Gotta run… time to promenade /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif.


Roy
 
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LOVING THE BX 2200.

LOVING THE BX 2200.
It is our Primary Featured unit in April with over ten units, assembled and ready for delivery this morning.
After a full year of excellent reports from all our BX owners, we think the BX tractor is as tough as a hammer for the homeowners.
We have had zero deck, trans, drive train, steering, axle, engine failures-complaints-warranty claims (except fuel tank upgrades) from any of our purchasers. Two customers traded up to B7500s and B2410s after trying to do some tough, messy work with the BX loaders. One customer has traded a 60" deck in for a 54" deck due to small gates and a narrow trailer.

The BX 2200 would be the perfect tractor for my 2.5 acres of home mowing chores and lawn task where the loader is needed occasionally and should last me 20 plus years with proper maintenance.

Thus far with homeowner folks considering 60" belly mowing with either the BX2200, B7500 or B2400; the BX2200 was recommended in all the situations where 60" mowing was the primary task at hand and we asked the user to consider their personal timelines goals.

However, when the shoppers, that had heavy loading concerns; took the different tractors with loaders out to the demo "dirt pile" area at our store. They choose the larger units as well as when they considered the limitation for rear implements due to close in rear tire spacing on the BX.

The BX 2200 is the perfect unit for the shoppers that do not need the extra features, weight, implements range, loader height, loader cap., 72" rear mowing cap, 60" box blade or scraper blade, landscape cap. available to owners of the larger Botas.

We are fortunate to have customers using all the different type units in many many applications. They go far past weekend 2 acre lawn mowing and driveway maintenance at the residence. We have not had any landscaper, in Ind. plant utility contractor or nurseryman to select the BX after demo'ing it with the B7500 and B2410, B 2710 or B21 even with the thousands less investment.

When a contractor, farmer, ranch or estate owner plans to use a unit for 10 + years every day the sun shines. He looks past the "HP" literature sales sheet rating to determine the long value of his investment. Doing less would let him think that a pint size 22 hp BX is a little better and stronger than a Dynamite Powerful B21 with one less hp than the BX2200.

Now after a year's experience, some users have both BX unit and other models in their stable to base/make reports ... we'll be happy to revaluate the comparisons. As always, we welcome information from folks that are as serious about "long term investment" concerns as we are. We, and most other dealers, have to focus on long term issues. The next time we'll hear from the owner is when they are ready to trade for the new BOTA. Model x application x hours x cosmetics will all factor into the trade allowance for the units we sell. If we offer the wrong advice now- we all pay the extra price in a few years.

Our objective making available comparison advice is to aide folks making long term investments. (2) To encourage them to study and compare models based on THEIR PARTICULAR goals and not based on the "paper spec." sheet. (3) Our goals have nothing to do with "writing checks", it has everything to do with presenting an experienced observation based on our commitment to 100% satisfaction and our ownership of several hundred tractors.

Six or seven notes and emails come to me every month from folks that say "I wish a had more carefully considered the advice from folks that had recommended a little larger tractor for my task at hand." Three from BX purchasers this week... all purchased elsewhere, all with less than 60 hours on their new tractor, all desiring to trade for a B7500 or B2410 or B2710.

The BX 2200 is a great little unit. It has indeed proven itself as such for many thousands of owners. The fact remains that it cost less than other tractors with similar hp not because its a "free lunch" but because the other units are built heavier to serve folks with tougher tasks and long term investment considerations.

We encourage anyone that owns more than one late model tractor, does various type of task to offer GOODWILL INFORMATION based information to first time shoppers trying to find their best investment for hard earned dollars with the least risk for disappointment.

If you want to make your own determinations and comparisons instead of considering advice from "cyber helping hands" like me...
We have'm all in stock (as well as the other fine dealerships - all brands and colors) for anyone wishing to demo, load, mow, box blade, attach/detach implements ... plus three acres of space-grass-a dirt piles to give'm a try. We do it everyday, weather permitting.

Here at Botaville - Dunn NC you can visit us and drive and workout the ORANGE units, then walk across the street at try out the Great Green presentations at Harnett Tractor.

I'm betting the Botaville Gang will win your friendship and a fair share of your business.

Best wishes for happy tractor shopping this spring,
Steve
 

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Well, I guess I will stay on my rock I picked. Opinion of the dealer is always important to a purchase--I know that I relied heavily on mine. My problem is there is no formula for determining productivity or " ____times the tractor" comparisons. If there is a formula I would like to see it. I have used a 7500 with the very same boxblade I have on my BX--performance for all practical purposes was the same. The 7500 weighs 67 lbs more than a BX, mostly from larger wheels and tires and slightly heavier engine so it cannot be--cannot be-- built more heavily than a BX because old man Gravity does not lie. There are two nurseries here with a BX. For mowing in tight areas and on hills the BX is 2.5 times the 7500 and 1.2 times the 2410 and for loader work the BX is .75 times a 7500 and .5 a 2410 and for boxblade work it is a factor of 1.0 compared to the 7500, okay, maybe 97.99. Now when JD intros their little sub tractor/giant GT/ small utility tractor/w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif / subcompact we can really get into dividing and multiplying. I suspect green paint is worth (2X) alone /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif. Oh well, I have beat up on this enough--opinons are opinions and everyone has a right to theirs. I am just a mean ol'BX guy always pickin' on people--I am ashamed. J
 
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Trescrows,

You make a good point re: "built heavier". When you have similar weight with a smaller engine and smaller tires, where is the weight coming from if it isn't from structural components? I would find it hard to believe that Kubota would add weight without it materially increasing strength.

Steve Carver,

I appreciate your input a lot, and by the way the new website is great. Would you address the issue of structural integrity vs. weight? Perhaps you were referring to FEL or box blade construction? Your recent post at first seems to indicate that the BX is very well built and the equal of other Kubota tractors in terms of quality and durability, but the end of your post seems to contradict that. I know that the BX series hasn't been around long, but I'm going to put you on the spot. What is your professional opinion of the structural integrity of the BX series as compared to the B series? Try to forget that there are a lot of BX owners out there who are going to look at this thread. /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif

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If the BX had bigger wheels and tires we would not be having this discussion or many of the others but then guess what--all we would have then is a 22 horsepower version of a 7500. I am like a junk yard dog with a new bone and just cannot quit chewing on this till all the gristle is gone. To put it bluntly there ain't squat difference in the structural integrety of a BX and a 7500 for practicle purposes or a 7400 which weighs a tad less than a BX. I think Kubota made a tractor with small tires to provide a choice--stability and manuverability vs smoother ride in the rough and slight advantage in tire contact area. I like having choices and I also like facts, not opinion which is so personal it has little relavence. J
 
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I just test drove 3 new Kubota tractors. Finally found someone with all models in stock. I drove the BX2200, B7500, and a left over B7300. I didn't bother driving the 2410,2710, or 2910 since from the intial appearance I ruled them out as too big for my situation. The perfect blend of size and clearance for my situation was the B7300, but I think I have settled on the B7500. The BX is a nice little tractor, but I have fears of getting stuck in the snow, mud, or getting stuck in woods with the low ground clearance. It seems that the front axle where the MFWD parts are could be succeptible to rock damage as well. As far as being built similar, the frame rails are the same it appears, but the engine and trans casings are used differently in the BX2200. On the BX, the steel frame is full length, on the B7500 and up, the heavy iron castings are used on the middle section of the tractor. I think some of the controls looked cheaper on the BX. I also did not care for the single hydro pedal. My guess is the new JD, and NH will improve upon the already terrific BX2200. Has anyone actually weighed the different machines?? Like loader weights the brochure info is sometimes different between different products. As far as being " no different than a 7500" as was stated earlier, I think you should crawl around and look a little closer.
 
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Great 70boss that you have a new toy. I hope it works out well for you. Yes, the use of the castings in the center section appear to be needed to prevent frame buckling with the larger loaders. I figure the engineers accounted for such things as intended use and sized things accordingly putting the "beef" where they thought it was needed. With the 2410 I notice that with the loader it appears needed to use a cross over bar and also tie into the grill guard (maybe wrong about that) The grill guard is also very heavy duty. I would not count to heavy on JD improving on the BX as their 455 already sells for more than a BX in some areas. That company has real problems with marketing and product delievery on the low end stuff. Now that Fiat owns New Holland or whoever bought them (is that just a rumor ??--hope so) if that is the case things will not get better for them, hope I am incorrect in that. Good luck with the new tractor, hope it gives you much satisfaction as my BX has me for years to come. Now, go move some dirt. J
 
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Tres,
I am still deciding. I have owned my 63 acres for almost a year now, and I still have not bought the right tractor. I have studied, researched, read all of TBN and Jplan posts, and am finally going to get something this month. The only reason I think I have ruled out the BX series is the clearance issue. Getting out of my steep 750 foot nightmare of a driveway is priority #1. The clearance is my biggest concern. As for value for the BX still seems to be high on my list as I put together quotes. It comes out $2-3000 less!. I wanted to give an unbiased, non-kubota owners opinion on the subject. My gut feeling is that if I buy the BX, I will want a larger machine in a couple years, where the B7500 will fill the need for a longer term.
 
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70boss,

I think if you check with Kubota you will find that the weights of the tractors is w/o wheels (for sure the B7500; not so sure about the BX). So the 65# difference between the BX and B7500 does not count the wheels.

I know for a fact that my B7500 (filled tires) + FEL (LA302) + Woods Box scraper comes in at ~~3200 pounds. When I engage the box scraper it pulls an enormous amount of material, and it literally "boils" over the top if I get too aggressive. However, like you, I was concerned about clearance; our "yard" (and that is a figurative term if ever there was one) has holes in it that are deeper than the clearance on the BX. The BX "might" be better on the hill, but I don't think I would try either the BX or the B7500 on parts of it./w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

Sometime I will post pictures to give you all an idea.... Our property is about 40 acres with an elevation delta of about 1000' from the top to the bottom. Go 30' south from our living room, and you won't stop until you've rolled down 800' (vertical), and 600' (horizontal). The only "tractor" that might be able to negotiate the "hill" is something with tracks...

The GlueGuy
 
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70boss, I thought you had already bought it. Oh, with 63 acres I agree you might need something more like a 2410 or 2710--as stated before I am no expert on such things.
Glue guy---I think the weight of the BX is calculated the same way it is for other Kubota tractors. The soil/dirt etc also boils over in my boxblade when I get to aggressive and the BX pulls it easily in 4WD but I am sure it is smaller and lighter than your Woods. Anyway, I did ask the dealer way back and he did not know how the weight was figured--looking at the brochure for the B series it lists standard tires as the ag type and weight with ROPS as 1367. This is exactly how weight is listed for the BX except for turf tires standard I think and that is 1300. Anyway it seems regardless of visual differences the majority of the weight of a 7500 with the 302 FEL and the Woods boxblade are from those implements, my BX weighs about 2210 lbs dry with box blade and FEL. The torque as shown in a chart from another poster is very close to that of the 7500 and the PTO horsepower is 16.7 also close to the 7500. Still I say they are very close in power and traction with a slight edge to the 7500 especially when equipped with the heavier FEL and etc. I also think and it is opinion--that any tractor much larger than a BX is going to damage a lawn and to some of us that is important.
70boss, good luck then with your decision. J
 
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I have a steep 420' driveway -- and just came through my first winter season with the BX2200 handling the snow removal. I'm in upstate NY and it was a relatively snowy winter here. The BX2200 with snowblower performed like a champ. No traction problems -- and no snow removal problems. I actually began to looked forward to snowstorms this past winter.

My only complaint with the BX is the stiff ride when mowing. I have 5 acres on a hillside and some stretches of lawn (pasture) get rutted from spring runoff. I need to find a better seat. The tractor handles the '60 deck at full speed -- but my back doesn't handle the ride.


Huck
 
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70boss,

I started out looking at the Bx series. I just took delivery of a B7500. I thought Bx felt a little shorter in the operator area and the taller B7500 would be better for fel operations. So far the B7500 seems to be a great machine! I also bought a few more attachments. 52" tiller, box blade, FEL, front mount snow blower & a curtis cab with heater.

Jim
 

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