Called Morton for Pole Barn...couple of questions

[jim44]

If you have any amish barn contractors in the area, it might be worth checking with them. I just had a tractor shed built by an amish crew, and the workmanship is absolutely amazing. Took 4 guys 1 1/2 days to do a 30 x 36 shed with open sides.

 

[bigtiller]

David, for the h*^% of it you should ask the Morton rep what he would charge for concrete. I'd be curious to know his price and the price of your local guys. Stanley

I just bought a morton building. The sales rep told me that he will use local contractors for concrete, electric and plumbing and add 18% to their bill for you if you want a "turn-key" building.

 

[hunterridgefarm]

Ok, Morton Rep called Monday morning and we met Monday evening to go over size, price, and for him to look at my site.

When we talked on the phone he said sq ft price with concrete ran $20-25, without concrete subtract around $5.00 sq ft.

The size and prices we discussed for 10' side wall, large sliding door on the eve side, one man door, and 8' overhang on the front for a porch look. No concrete, and vapor barrier/insulation on the roof only.

24x32= $26, 700 or $34.76 sq ft

30x36= $31,000 or $28.70 sq ft

30x30= $26,188 or $29.00 sq ft

So I asked where is the $15-20 sq ft without concrete we talked about on the phone. He was unsure but suggested going smaller and adding on later...

24x 24= $21,500 or $37.32 sq ft I don't think so:confused2:

He suggested looking at Morton Limited, post spaced 10' and roof truss spaced somewhere around 8-10'

30x30= $19,400 or $21.55 sq ft

24x30= $20,900 or $29.00 sq ft.

I told him I was not interested in the Limited model. I know Morton is expensive but I think this is a little over priced for just the shell and no concrete.

I also told him this was not out of the realm of possibilities but I needed to check with the local builder before making a decision.

I want the best value for my dollar and the possibility of getting a couple of friends and building myself is looking better.

I am sure to some these prices look good but to me they seem high. The salesman was very personable and was wiling to look at many different options. He said he may be able to do a little better on pricing but would need to get back with me.

He also said Morton may have some discounts at the end of the year. I told him I could wait till December/January since this was a very busy time of year for me.

Oh yeah, Permacolumn would almost double the cost , however Morton is developing their own permacolumn and testing them in the mid-west now.

Lets just say Morton gave me a little sticker shock. I have set aside 15-20k to get something under roof and finish out myself. Preferably a shell under roof for 15-18k; still have some looking to do.

 

[Dr Dave]

Lumber prices are up, check on steel framed buildings. The bay spacings can be up to 25 ft, and no additional framing is required to finish the interior. These bolt together and go up quick.

I was ready to buy from Hardsteelbuildings, but I found a used Star building that needed to be moved, I could not pass up a 40x60x12 for $2500. I dismantled and moved it home. New was about $7.00 a sq ft.doors and insulation were extra.

For a smaller building like you are pricing, check with the companies that sell the steel carports, the also have garage, barn and shop kits.

Dave

 

[LD1]

Lets look at a DIY cost breakdown.

This is what I figure but I am sure I am missing something: 30'x40'

6x6x16' posts x10......................................................... @ $48 each = $480
6x6x20' posts for gable ends x 4..................................... @ $62 each = $248
2 bags concrete per post total 28 ....................................@ $3 each = $84
2x6x20 tongue and groove band boards, 2 high total 14 .....@ $21 each =$294
2x4x10 nailers/purlins for siding, total 56...........................@ $4.50 each = $252
2x10x10 headers, inside and out, total 28.........................@ $11.50 each = $322
2x6x12 cut in half for knee braces, total 14........................@ $7.50 each = $105
11 trusses 4' OC 30' span................((guessing on price).@ $75ea = $825
2x4x8 roof purlins laid flat, every 2', total 200.....................@ $3 each = $600
Metal siding. 10' length x 28 sheets @ $2.50 per ft...............= $700
metal roofing. 18' length x 25 sheets @ $2.50 per ft...................=$1125
Gable end siding 20 sheets, various lengths between 12' and 18' ...=$750
Miscellaneous trim, end caps, ridge cap, base guard, etc...........=$1000
Misc. lumber for door headers, nails, screws, and other stuff I forgot...=$1000
3 garage doors. Overhead type, not the crap sliders.....................= $1500
Walk in door, windows, whatever else I also forgot.......................=$1000
Food and beer for the friends that help.....................................=$715

GRAND TOTAL..........................................................................$11000

Uh yea, I say build yourself if you can. Thats a pretty conservative guesstimate without taking hours to actually plan. (only took about 15 minutes). I cannot believe they would build you a smaller building for about 3x's more than the cost of material. What, 5 or 6 guys working, 2-3 days, and pocket $20k.

I would think you could certainly find someone local that could do a 30x36 or 30x40 in the 15-20k range if you do the concrete later....

 

[hunterridgefarm]

LD1,

Your thinking is a lot like mine:thumbsup: I had heard so much about the quality of Morton and the fact they were very proud of their buildings it would be worth a look.

I just thought those prices were out of line. If I could get a building up in two weeks it may be worth it, but now that I have seen the price...well...NO.

I still need to check with the local and if it is worth it I will let him do it. If not I guess I get started late fall or mid December.

 

[NoTrespassing]

Ok, Morton Rep called Monday morning and we met Monday evening to go over size, price, and for him to look at my site.

When we talked on the phone he said sq ft price with concrete ran $20-25, without concrete subtract around $5.00 sq ft.

The size and prices we discussed for 10' side wall, large sliding door on the eve side, one man door, and 8' overhang on the front for a porch look. No concrete, and vapor barrier/insulation on the roof only.

24x32= $26, 700 or $34.76 sq ft

30x36= $31,000 or $28.70 sq ft

30x30= $26,188 or $29.00 sq ft

So I asked where is the $15-20 sq ft without concrete we talked about on the phone. He was unsure but suggested going smaller and adding on later...

24x 24= $21,500 or $37.32 sq ft I don't think so:confused2:

He suggested looking at Morton Limited, post spaced 10' and roof truss spaced somewhere around 8-10'

30x30= $19,400 or $21.55 sq ft

24x30= $20,900 or $29.00 sq ft.

I told him I was not interested in the Limited model. I know Morton is expensive but I think this is a little over priced for just the shell and no concrete.

I also told him this was not out of the realm of possibilities but I needed to check with the local builder before making a decision.

I want the best value for my dollar and the possibility of getting a couple of friends and building myself is looking better.

I am sure to some these prices look good but to me they seem high. The salesman was very personable and was wiling to look at many different options. He said he may be able to do a little better on pricing but would need to get back with me.

He also said Morton may have some discounts at the end of the year. I told him I could wait till December/January since this was a very busy time of year for me.

Oh yeah, Permacolumn would almost double the cost , however Morton is developing their own permacolumn and testing them in the mid-west now.

Lets just say Morton gave me a little sticker shock. I have set aside 15-20k to get something under roof and finish out myself. Preferably a shell under roof for 15-18k; still have some looking to do.

First, let me say you controlled yourself better than I would have.

If a salesman tried to pull that on me I would have been so mad I wouldn't have been able to control my temper. To quote those numbers on the phone and then waste my time like that I would have told him to get off my property and never contact me again. I'm not saying his prices are out of line, but don't double your phone estimate on me.

 

[Ranger Rick]

I am nearing completion of my 30 x 40 pole barn. I have been doing most all of the work myself. My building has a metal roof, trusses on four foot centers, OSB sheathing with 4 x10' Hardie panels as siding, 5 windows, a man door and a garage door and a concrete floor with radiant tubing and rebar in it. At this point I have spent $21,800.




Building permit $270

Building 30x 40 on concrete slab.

Concrete Floor
Rebar $805
Gravel 21 A 35 tons $800
Tubing for future radiant heat $461
Plastic vapor barrier $ 106
2 inch foam insulation board $1000
Concrete 4.5 inches thick $2440
Concrete finisher 2 guys $1150
Concrete floor expense sub total $ $6762


Metal roofing $2441
Five Windows $1280
Hardie panels siding $1835
Osb zip sheathing, lumber $ 1523
Miratek 1x3 for battens $390
Azek for corners $ 455
Man door $ 218
other lumber nails trim boards,bolts, $6026
and Misc items
two carpenters to help put trusses $600
and roof on.
Total for everything $21800

Rick

 

[jmc]

Rick, very nice. It appears you invested the extra effort to make it just right.

 

[ENG18LT]

Hunterridge,

If you are thinking of doing it yourself I can add to your comparison info. Myself and a cousin have been putting up a 50x40 monitor style pole barn since the end of May. That may sound like a long time but we have not worked on it full time. I have keep track of actual working days and we have around 15-16 into it. about half of those I was by myself. Also, the monitor style is a lot more labor then a standard pole barn. Including the second floor I have 2800 sq.ft. of space inside. Now for the good part, cost. I did this barn for $11/sq.ft., that INCLUDES the added cost of using Perma-Columns! Total cash out for materials and equipment rental comes to 31,000. Here are some details of my barn:

50x40 Monitor style, 20x40 second floor
24"diameter by 10" thick footers, ready-mix conveyor truck
Perma Column posts, (14) 17' PC6300s, (13) 27' PC6400s, shipped preassembled from factory
(22) 15' 4/12 Mono trusses, 4'o.c.
(11) 20' 5/12 Standard trusses, 4'o.c.
2x12 truss headers inside and out
14" LVL's and Ijoists for second floor, Includes hangers
3/4" Dryguard T&G subfloor
(8) 4'x2' vinyl sliding windows, (4) each in second floor side walls
(2) 3'x4'6" dbl hung windows, second floor front wall
Interior stairs
Bubble insulation walls and roof, between metal and purlins
Vented ridge
Full vent soffits
(2) 10x10 overhead doors, carriage house style with glass
(1) 12x10 overhead door, carriage house style with glass
(1) 36" fiberglass raised panel man door, no glass
Skidsteer & 24" auger for 24hrs
40' manlift for 7 days
Air nails, joist hangers, etc.



Although I am not 100% complete, all materials have been purchased at this point so the 31,000 is a good number. This does not include a concrete floor though, just the shell. If you have any questions feel free to send me a message, there is also a more detailed write up/pictures on my thread, the link to it is below in my signature line. Hope this helps.