Camping cabin?

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stumpfield

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We plan to build a couple of camping cabins for family and friends when they come visit our land. DW came up with the idea when she saw these cabins on a KOA camp ground. I have built several storage shed but for the cabin, I want the interior to be a little nicer. What type of siding material can I use that's good on both side? Any plans or kits for this type of cabin? I want to keep the size to be 10'x12' (or under 120 sqft) so I don't need a building permit. Your comments and ideas are welcome? Thanks.
 
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At 120 sq feet, your not leaving much room for anything but a bed and and a table, but it's doable. Before you start, how sure are you on not needing a permit for this sized building? What if you have electricity? In the Bay Area, where I'm from, sheds didn't need a permit either, unless they had power. Then it didn't matter what size the building was, you needed a permit and it had to be up to code. The way we worked around it was to run an extension cord to the building. It wasn't permanent power, so it didn't need a permit.

Do you need AC in it? A window unit is the cheapest and very effective in small rooms. Concrete works as the flooring and you never have to worry about it. If you want to stain, AVOID the quikrete brand stain sold at Lowes. It's just a paint that chips off and wears quickly.

Can you have a porch on it to increase your outdoor living area without increasing the square footage? Two natural wood posts from a local hardwood tree or cedar make very nice porch posts.

A small building needs lots of lighting. A window on two sides and a door with a window will really open it up. I'd leave one wall solid for hanging stuff and storage. I'd also look into a futon for sleeping. Having a place to sit and relax will be very limited in such a small building.

For interior siding, OSB is just about the cheapest thing out there. If you don't like the look of it, paneling gives you quite a bit of options, but even sheetrock won't cost you very much in that small of a space. How will you build the ceiling? if it's flat, then sheetrock or something light in color would work. If you vault the ceiling, which is what I'd do, then sanded bead board makes a really nice ceiling. You can put a beam across the middle and create an open truss that will really make it something special. Stain the sanded beadbard, which is about $20 a sheet, and you have a wood ceiling that looks like toungue a groove for a small fraction of the cost.

There was a thread over on Pondboss from a guy who used Hardi Lap Siding on his home and stained it. Pond Boss: Human habitat; dreaming out loud From a distance, it looks like real wood. In fact, when you look at the pictures, up close, it looks like real wood!!!!

I'm working on an experiment with regular Minwax wood stains on hardi boards to see how it lasts and looks. The pictures are from my test and are after three months outside. I don't know how the long term, year after year, results will be yet, but I'm very encouraged by what I see. The red oak is my favorite and what I plan to use when I build my cabins. I have one coat on there and the guy who did it used two coats on his home. I want to see what one does first, then I'll add a second coat to half of the already stained areas.

Have fun,
Eddie
 

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We got some ideas from these websites:

Tumbleweed Tiny House Company | Small House Plans, Floor Plans, Designs

TinyHouses

Small House Society - Resources

The Little House Plans Kit w/ Bonus Tools

To say the least, we have looked at a "couple" of cabins. We have not made a decision. I would like to do the same and build a three or four of them. Just use them mainly for sleeping and not having to pitch a tent. Need to just start one and see how it goes.

A friend just put up a "shed" barn, 16x24, (everyone needs a bed in the barn, right?). I will find out how much it cost him and scale mine much smaller. He plans to put a house there some time, but now he'll just enjoy his view.
 
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teg said:
We got some ideas from these websites: ...

Glad you posted those ... I got into them a couple of years ago ... REALLY neat stuff :D
 
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EddieWalker said:
At 120 sq feet, your not leaving much room for anything but a bed and and a table, but it's doable. Before you start, how sure are you on not needing a permit for this sized building? Eddie

Thanks Eddie, The hardi boards on your picture does look like real wood. If you didn't say it's hardi board, I would believe you it's real wood.

You are absolutely correct. Building of any size with power will require a permit. However, my land is in the middle of "no where" and is off-grid. So, there won't be any power except for totally self-contained 12v DC power for lighting. I have to keep it under 120 sqft if it's on a permanet foundation to be legal. If I build it on skids, I can go bigger because it's consider a portable building like a RV or storage container. Of course, it should not be living space and no one should live in these structures. That's the law but who's going to check and make sure no one is sleeping in these little cabins in the middle of nowhere... My nearest neighbor is 2 miles away. I'm fortunate that this is still a very rural county in California and the building code is very relax except in subdivisions. As far as they can remember, they never force anyone to tear down a building because it didn't have a permit. The common problem here is complaints from neighbors. Lots of people moved here from the bay area in recent years. They bought with them urban SF bay area cultures. They will call the sheriff when you they hear a gun shot or a barking dog. They will file complaints on anything doesn't fit their eyes or cause pain to their eyes....

I found a very nice cabin kit on ebay but the price is a little more than I want to spend plus getting it ship from Kentucky just doesn't sound feasible. I wonder if I can build something similar with material I can buy from the local lumber yard or home depot. My idea is to frame it with material that looks good on both the exterior and interior like 2x TG log siding but without the high cost of 2x TG log siding. I also want the interior space not lose 4" wall thickness.
 
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Id go hardypannel or T111 outside, and panneling on the inside.
 
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Have looked at prebuilt sheds that some stores carry? I have seen some wood constructed ones that would ideal for what you have in mind.
 
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I thought you were looking for for a siding material. If you are looking for a structural wall, several people have used the 4" landscaping timbers that have two flat sides. You can buy them at any home building center. Caulk between and spike them down. This would eliminate studding and be able to structurally support the roof and have a rustic interior. Having lived in a log home for 21 years and from experience, I would still recommend the Flood, stain/sealer for the outside.
 
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I don't know the manufacturer, but the Austrailians have a pretty nice tent type affair with a frame, windows and doors that beats anything I have ever seen. It's more protable and I susspect it would not qualify as a "cabin" but since it is not a permanant structure, that might be an advantage in alot of cases.
 
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Stumpfield

I don't know how the permit situation is out there but 25 yoars ago I built my cabin in the boonies had to get permit it didn't cost much but there wasn't any inspections because there wasnt any power and plumbing on plans and it was zoned recreational.

You might be able to build with out the wiring and plumbing and after a year
or two it might apear ;)

mine is 20 x 36 1 1/2 floors and it is a little tight so a 20 x 10 foot section appeared last year:eek:

tommu56
 
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tommu56 said:
Stumpfield

I don't know how the permit situation is out there but 25 yoars ago I built my cabin in the boonies had to get permit it didn't cost much but there wasn't any inspections because there wasnt any power and plumbing on plans and it was zoned recreational.

You might be able to build with out the wiring and plumbing and after a year
or two it might apear ;)

mine is 20 x 36 1 1/2 floors and it is a little tight so a 20 x 10 foot section appeared last year:eek:

tommu56

My land is zoned AG and I can build 1 home (must be under 2500 sqft) per 160 acres. I can build as many accessory buildings as I wish as long as nobody lives in it. The permit situation in most of California is hopeless if you want to build anything for human. My county has the easiest and the least requirements comparing to most of California. The state has all kinds of tough requirements that's really unfair for rural areas. Permit cost is not cheap. I'm currently building a 36'x48' barn. The plan check, permit & fees cost about $2500. To me, that's a lot for a barn.
 
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I did a Google and could only come up with this, close but no cigar.
Montana Canvas Blend Wall Tents

The one I saw was used in Idaho by Ausie miners on the Salmon River country on the Middle Fork county and looked like a lodge made out of thick nylon over an aluminum frame. It was quite the setup. I haven't found it yet, but someone might get lucky. It had a bunk house, and a kitchen, with windows and nice doors, all in nylon and framed with aluminum.
 
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stumpfield said:
My land is zoned AG and I can build 1 home (must be under 2500 sqft) per 160 acres. I can build as many accessory buildings as I wish as long as nobody lives in it. The permit situation in most of California is hopeless if you want to build anything for human. My county has the easiest and the least requirements comparing to most of California. The state has all kinds of tough requirements that's really unfair for rural areas. Permit cost is not cheap. I'm currently building a 36'x48' barn. The plan check, permit & fees cost about $2500. To me, that's a lot for a barn.


What do they consider "living in it" ? Spending the night or taking up residence?
 
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I'm currently building a 36'x48' barn. The plan check, permit & fees cost about $2500. To me, that's a lot for a barn.
Hi Tom,
Interesting thread you started.
I built my own shed as you know and it could easily be turned into a living quarters with a little interior decorating. It was way less expensive than buying one.
I'm interested how your barn is coming along?
Thanks,
 
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this is what we have been doing all winter when we spend the weekends at the property


i know its a craptastic pic but..... popup on the east, fridge, stove, etc outside in the barn. ROunded up some old drywall laying around and put it down over the gravel floor which allows me to sweep it and keep some of the mud/dirt out of the popup
 
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3RRL said:
Hi Tom,
Interesting thread you started.
I built my own shed as you know and it could easily be turned into a living quarters with a little interior decorating. It was way less expensive than buying one.
I'm interested how your barn is coming along?
Thanks,

Rob,

I got the foundation done about 6 months ago but didn't make any progress since. I just extended my building permit for 2 more years so I'm in no hurry. I have since changed the plan to include a deck and front enhance to the second floor. I plan to turn the second floor into living space. I'm currently working on my water system. My 2gpm well turns out to have more water than I need. With the solar pump and storage tank, I feel like I got an unlimited water supply...
 
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stumpfield said:
Rob,

I got the foundation done about 6 months ago but didn't make any progress since. I just extended my building permit for 2 more years so I'm in no hurry. I have since changed the plan to include a deck and front enhance to the second floor. I plan to turn the second floor into living space. I'm currently working on my water system. My 2gpm well turns out to have more water than I need. With the solar pump and storage tank, I feel like I got an unlimited water supply...
About the well ... that's really good news. How big is your storage tank? I know you have been super busy as I have, but we'll get together soon. I extended my building permit also, but for 1 year. Hopefully will start this Summer. I've started grading for my barn! I'll start a thread on it when I have more time.
 
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Stumpfield,
For a ow cost interior you might want to conssider plain old burlap. You can buy it by the yard. A friend refineshed her basement, it is an older home and the ceiling was low. She jsut stapled burlap onto the floor joists above and I ahve to tell ya, it came out looking really neat.
 

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