Comparison Can someone confirm Bobcat Tractor is built by Kioti?

[DNC]

I've have a CT450 but my Kioti dealer would be happy to service it. What difference does it make if Bobcat stops selling tractors. Changing fluid and filters on a tractor or skid steer is not different.

 

[kco]

I've have a CT450 but my Kioti dealer would be happy to service it. What difference does it make if Bobcat stops selling tractors. Changing fluid and filters on a tractor or skid steer is not different.

I had a similar experience. I dealt on Kioti and Bobcat and ended up with a Kioti. When I called the Bobcat dealer to let him know my decision he said they would be happy to supply parts and service for the Kioti.

 

[Canada_CT230]

Just buy the dang thing...use it, enjoy it and watch the neighbours get jealous. I love my Bobcat.

 

[abatis]

My mistake, Doosan of Korea owns Bobcat.

 

[SSdoxie]

W/ the Bobcat and Kioti being the same tractor, the loaders are not. On a Kioti ldr. that fits the DK40/45, the lift capacity is 2761 lbs.. Check into that on the BC ldr..

I have read comment in other threads eluding to the reduced lift capacity of the Bobcat loader versus Kitoti so taking TractorTidy's advise I researched these 2 models. Interesting findings:
Kioti KL401 vs 9TL (both with QA)
Lift capacity @ full lift height (measured @ bucket pivot)
Kitoi - 2761 lbs.
Bct - 2655 lbs.
Boom breakout force @ pivot pin
Kioti - 3727 lbs.
Bct - 4063 lbs.
Full lift height @ pivot pin
Kioti - 107"
Bct - 111.5"
Bucket dump angle degree
Kioti - 73 (measured from a vertical path out to bucket edge)
Bct - 35 (mesured from horizontal plain down to buckt edge)
If you convert Kioti measurement to same as Bobcat it is 17 degree

Is there significant difference in loader performance to have it be the deciding factor between the 2 brands? You be the judge.

 

[DP Property]

W/ the Bobcat and Kioti being the same tractor, the loaders are not. On a Kioti ldr. that fits the DK40/45, the lift capacity is 2761 lbs.. Check into that on the BC ldr..

My only other concern w/ BC is how much longer they will be in the tractor business. They are finishing their 4th year of what I believe may be a 5 yr. agreement w/ Daedong.

Do you have a Kioti dealer in the area? If so, I would look into them.

I would also consider this concern as Bc has had a lot of problems with these tractors and It is my belief that they may want to get out of the tractor market. This is after speaking with the owner of the largest BC dealer in SW Ontario. He told me they were having to many issues with the Kioti's and getting parts.

 

[tcartwri]

I would also consider this concern as Bc has had a lot of problems with these tractors and It is my belief that they may want to get out of the tractor market. This is after speaking with the owner of the largest BC dealer in SW Ontario. He told me they were having to many issues with the Kioti's and getting parts.

It's exactly the same machine, different paint. Why would BCats be less reliable...:confused2:

My dealer sells these machines as fast as he gets them. He sold 5 in the week I bought mine.

Silly rumours.

 

[Enginedr]

if your interested in a bobcat tractor, Ihave a friend that is in Augusta ga. He works for our local dealer. i'm sure he would be glade to answer any questions that you may have. Just let me know , i;ll hook u guys up
BTW, i've been in hos shop alot, havent seem many tractors in there torn down, so that tell me a lot

 

[SSdoxie]

I would also consider this concern as Bc has had a lot of problems with these tractors and It is my belief that they may want to get out of the tractor market. This is after speaking with the owner of the largest BC dealer in SW Ontario. He told me they were having to many issues with the Kioti's and getting parts.

Next 5 year contract, carrying through to 2016 has already been signed. Doesn't appear the Bobcat has any inclination of getting out of this business?

 

[bp fick]

Wallace, a former Kioti dealer and one that now sells BC reported the contract being signed through 2016.

Hopefully, this puts the concerns to rest. Perhaps some Kioti dealers were a bit hopeful that BC would leave the tractor market? Who knows. But in any case, it's now a dead issue. Spread the word.

 

[MossflowerWoods]

Wallace, a former Kioti dealer and one that now sells BC reported the contract being signed through 2016.

Hopefully, this puts the concerns to rest. Perhaps some Kioti dealers were a bit hopeful that BC would leave the tractor market? Who knows. But in any case, it's now a dead issue. Spread the word.

The Kioti/Bobcat is a great tractor. I am buying one probably this week, right now the only difference is ~100lbs less lift on the BC (Rhino loader), 1 year less warranty on BC, and 1 year LONGER financing on BC. The prices of the options are dealer oriented and might swing the decision for me.

Right now, I suspect it will boil down to the financing will decide which tractor gets delivered...

It is a darned fine tractor.

David

 

[DNC]

Amen, brother

 

[Lockport]

Doosan bought Bobcat from Ingersoll Rand a few years ago, the Kioti, Mccormick and Bobcat are all manufactured in the same plant to it various color specifications. You will find differences in that in the smaller machine Bobcat doe snot offer shuttle shift. Kioti has the most comprehensive line of the 3. as for LS tractor, you will find this same tractor at New Holland, and last years McCormicks and perhaps others....

The tractor end of this story goes back a little more. 1st, Doosan went to Kubota, the supplier of their engines, and said they wanted a compact tractor to sell, as well. Kubota answered that only Kubota would sell Kubota tractors. Doosan suggested perhaps they would cease to use Kubota engines and Kubota suggested perhaps they would build a skid steer. Subsequently this would bring us to where we are today.

Landini, I hear, is to also sell Daedong in blue.

 

[SSdoxie]

The Kioti/Bobcat is a great tractor. I am buying one probably this week, right now the only difference is ~100lbs less lift on the BC (Rhino loader), 1 year less warranty on BC, and 1 year LONGER financing on BC. The prices of the options are dealer oriented and might swing the decision for me.

Right now, I suspect it will boil down to the financing will decide which tractor gets delivered...

It is a darned fine tractor.

David

If the Bobcat your dealing on is 2010 model or this year it will have the Bobcat built loader. Max lift at full height is 100 lbs. less but raises 4 1/2" higher, extra height reduces the rating due to stability.

 

[DP Property]

Next 5 year contract, carrying through to 2016 has already been signed. Doesn't appear the Bobcat has any inclination of getting out of this business?

Thats good to know and since the BC and the Kioti are the same machine I guess either sale is good for Kioti.

 

[MossflowerWoods]

Amen, brother

:thumbsup:

 

[qed-cat225]

Someone a while back posted this, I think a picture is worth 1000 words or in the case of this ongoing discussion 5000 words....

 

[TractorTidy]

The blue Landini is part of the McComick relationship which is owned by Landini. I don't believe the blue tractors are really for the US.

 

[whiskywizard]

Do you buy GM products?

absolutely not

Worried about GM going under?

Yes. But owning one is a bigger concern than the company going under.

 

[whiskywizard]

I would also consider this concern as Bc has had a lot of problems with these tractors and It is my belief that they may want to get out of the tractor market. This is after speaking with the owner of the largest BC dealer in SW Ontario. He told me they were having to many issues with the Kioti's and getting parts.

When i was considering Bobcat vs Kioti, the BC dealer I spoke with was saying he doesn't get any warranty work. Aside from filters and other consumables, after selling them for 3 years he still wasn't certain what parts to keep in stock.