Canada Prescriptions

   / Canada Prescriptions #11  
I thought the drugs were made here in the USA. Are we dumping low quality prescription drugs on other countries? Do the drug companies have more than one assembly line? How can I assure myself that the drugs I am taking are made right here in the good old USA and come off the USA assembly line, instead of the one that makes the drugs for Canada?

Steve
 
   / Canada Prescriptions #12  
Drug companies are making a nice profit--no doubt about that.

But--the American public is not an innocent bystander in all this.

5 Things to Consider.

1. Last year we as a nation spent $70 Billion on obesity related healthcare. While not everyone can control this type of disease, it is largely a controllable issue.

2. Twenty years ago, a doctor couldn't do nearly what he or she can now do for a torn knee. A person was left with a disability. Now, that same person is back playing sports or on the golf course in a year. There has been a dramatic increase in knee surgeries for boys and girls under age 18 (I assume due to an increased participation in youth sports)

3. Blue Cross of MN reported that the AVERAGE number of surgeries for all kinds jumped 10% in 2002.

4. In 1992, the average number of prescriptions per person was 7. In 2002 that went to 10. When I get a claims report for my clients, the top 10 drugs are almost always brand name drugs. The average brand name drug cost is $72. It's generic equivalent costs $22.

5. Blue Cross Blue Shield of MN reports that for every dollar collected in premium, 88 cents goes directly to pay for medical care.

Usage, either in the form of procedures or drugs plays a big part in cost. Fifteen years ago, someone who suffered a heart attack very easily would have died. With advancements, not only is this person saved, but he will be around to have a hip replaced or a back surgery.

What I can't answer is weather or not national healthcare will make it cost less. I have yet to see the government get into anything and have the result be better service at a lower price, but that's just my opinion.

Bob
 
   / Canada Prescriptions #13  
In my opinion there is no such thing as too much profit. Thats free enterprise. Possible exceptions are utilities and cable, those industries that are given a monopoly. But a drug company spends the money to develop a product it should be able to charge the most it can get. If thats too much, don't buy it, go to a competitor for their drug.

If you think a drug company is price gouging on a particular product that nobody else has, then boycotting their other products for which there is competition might be the answer.

I have seen TV new reports where they have tested drugs made outside the US, and found many to be much less "effective" than the US counterpart. Not sure WHICH foreign countries they were made in, and also not sure whether the network was reporting objectively.
 
   / Canada Prescriptions #14  
Yep, risk and reward. Any company that wants to risk years and millions in developing a new drug should be able to reap the rewards. If an outside entity steps in and reduces the potential reward, then the natural reaction will be for the company to reduce the risk, i.e., either fewer new drugs being developed or only the drugs that promise the largest potential market. The problem is, this unintended consequence, might not be felt for years.
 
   / Canada Prescriptions #15  
So why would a drug company sell "name brand x" in the US for 10 bucks a pop and the same thing in Canada for 4?
 
   / Canada Prescriptions #16  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( So why would a drug company sell "name brand x" in the US for 10 bucks a pop and the same thing in Canada for 4? )</font>

Because it can.

Insurance has disconnected the consumer from the market. If we had to pay with our own money, we'd all ask for the generics.
 
   / Canada Prescriptions #17  
<font color="blue"> So why would a drug company sell "name brand x" in the US for 10 bucks a pop and the same thing in Canada for 4? </font>
Because the Canadian government 'forces' them to sell at this price. Drug companies only have exclusive marketing rights, i.e., no generic version, for a certain number of years. If they have to average $7.00/pill during that time, for every pill they sell in Canada at $4.00, they have to sell one somewere else for $10.

I agree with DocHeb, health insurance has masked too much of the cost of delivering health care to the consumer. There will be unlimited usage of a free (or one that appears free) resource. As soon as consumers have to start paying some of the cost, many begin to scream for the government to get involved. Unfortunately, if someone said we had to ration healthcare, people would never accept it. However, nationalizing healthcare is a form of rationing. A national healthcare system defines what the benefits and the costs will be, in essence, telling health care providers how much money they can make, i.e., wage and price controls for the healthcare industry. The health care providers will supply the amount of product appropriate to the price they can charge, i.e., rationing. I'm not 'happy' about having to pay more for my healthcare. However, I'd rather do that than have the government get involved.
 
   / Canada Prescriptions #18  
<font color="blue"> If we had to pay with our own money, we'd all ask for the generics.
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That’s true. But the price for generics may not have the savings we would expect because of markup.

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The Prescription benefit that the company I work for, requires we use Eckerd Drugs from a pharmacy warehouse in Florida. Many prescription plans have this requirement. This is taking business from the local Pharmacies. They have to make money somewhere. So the Generics get marked up.
 
   / Canada Prescriptions #19  
There are times when I wonder if we really know who funds reasearch.

Is the cost of research really born by the company and the cost recouped through sales or are there incentive packages the general populace is not aware of? How big a role do Universities play?

Egon
 
   / Canada Prescriptions #20  
Well I guess I'll throw my admittedly biased hat into the ring. I apologize for the lenght. I work for a small drug company. We have only 2 drugs on the US market.
Commonly accepted numbers are 550 to 750 million dollars to get a drug from a chemist's test tube to market over a period of 10 -12 years. This numbers are supllied by the PMA a business group representing drug companies but they are considered legitimate numbers.
I work in a dept call pharmacokinetics. We try to tell how much of a compound is in the body and what it is doing while it is in there. We mostly use triple quadropole mass spectrometers coupled to liquid chromatography systems (LC/MS/MS). These sytems average 300,000 dollars and I have 6. You need to add in scientists to operate them and operational costs to keep the instrument up and running. If we contracted this out the range is 100 - 150 dollars per SAMPLE. One small animal study will include 100 samples. We run 100 samples every night on at least 4 0f the LC/MS/MS 5 days a week. You can see the costs multiplying and I am just one small lab.
We need to pay for animals and facilities, we need chemists to synthesize the drug and then a process place to make quantities sufficient to perform the study. My lab is just ququantifying the compound. Similar teams are running tests for efficacy - does the drug even work. That is the big question and you never truly know until you are in the second clinical (human) trial.
We do at least two years of animal studies and test tube metabolism studies to see if we have a viable candidate to go into man. We file an IND with the FDA. They review all the data and will give us a go/no go to start clinical trials. Once we file the IND our patent protection kicks in. But we have another 8-10 years of FDA mandated testing before we can get to market. By time we hit the market our patent protection is nearly over. Then the generics run simple bio-equivalence studies and get approval.
FDA mandated studies include long term toxicological studies in two species. These can extend for two years. We also run 3 phases of clinical trials with a population pool large enough to make statistically significant differences noticable. We have depts of statisticians to interpret results.
We do all of this in a highly regulated environment know as cGxP - current Good Clinical or Manufacturing Practice as defined in the Code of Federal Regulations. I must calibrate bi-annually all of my instruments. Even my freezers are calibrated and monitored. The water I use is monitored and delivered from a calibrated filter. We spend 33 percent of our time on FDA paperwork. Sometimes I feel that if I f@art I have to record where and when in some sort of log /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif I am overseeing the qualification/verification and calibration of all of the lab computers. For my small group we have spent 5 months so far working on this. We will pay consultants close to 1 million dollars to help us do this. That does not include my nor any other employees time plus lost "production time" as we can't run samples during the validation process.
We employ 160 people in the lab site. probably 100 are in the lab. Besides the HR group we have lawyers, patent people and regulatory people. That is here. In our Corp HQ are all the paper pushers that plan studies, deal with the feds, deal with the study physiicians, interpret data and file reports with the FDA. Our last NDA (last step for approval) filled 1 tractor trailer with paper reports for the FDA's review. Corp HQ employs more people than here. And we have a third production site with their own scientists, regulatory, HR, etc.

All of this to ensure a safe drug available for the market place.
Am I rich? No. Do I feel like I work for an evil company -NO. I feel that I do an important job that eventually will do good for society at large. I must admit I get tired of the drug companies being painted as the bad goes. I no longer vote for any politician that attempts to demonize the drug industry.

Well thanks for listening.

Phil
 

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