Cant get 410 FEL any more

[Steamynachos]

My dealer just told me that the 4110 I just got is the last one they can bring in with the 410 loader. JD has moved all the new loaders to the 210X. but he said there is no word on JD changing the tractors he said they would have been told for about a year in advance about any changes and they have knowen about the FEL for about 8 months now but was not shure when it would be applied.
he said JD has changed there maketing to look more friendly to a woman because they usally have a lot of pull with the purchess of a tractor like this. He said they made the 2210 to be smaller so a lot of women would not be intimidated by driving a big scarry tractor and they could use it while hubby is away. hence the move to a smaller loader also for this line of tractors /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

 

[ljrobinson]

The couple of dealers I have spoken to in Manitoba have not heard anything about replacements for the small frame compacts but are increasingly finding it difficult to access product. They believe that with in 4-6 weeks Deere will make an announcement regarding the new 2000 twenty. This new 200x loader is in sync with the number sequence on the 3000 and 4000 twenty - 300x & 400x loaders.

 

[ADin]

Were you given an indication of when the new loaders would be available and whether they would be comparible in performance to the 410 loader (e.g. ~800lbs vs the 210 loader's ~600lb)? Perhaps just a rebadged 410 loader? I'm sold on purchasing a 4110 but I'm not in an immediate rush and was waiting to see more information/rumors on the replacements (202X series??). One of the deciding factors was the 410 loader performance over the 210 loader. I can't imagine JD would abandon the niche the current 411X + 410 currently fill. Somebody with understanding of JD marketing strategy care to venture a guess on probability of such a more?

 

[Steamynachos]

The dealer told me that the new 210x loaderwill have the same lift as the 210 loader but will now fit the 411# CUT seiries. He said they did this because it will be a cheeper loader to produce and so they will pass the savings on to you (more sales)but you dont get as much lift capasity. if you want more lift you will move into a bigger tractor hence pay more so they win either way. the new loader will not be as easy to remove from the tractor because of a new mounting system that folds out like lawn chair when you take it off. The dealer said that it will take about 1/2 hour to remove this one. the pics that he showed me made it look wimpy compared to the 410. but I guess people wont over load ther tractors any more /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

 

[bigpete]

Steamynachos: The lift capacity of all loaders is based on PSI and cylinder size. The frame is designed to take whatever capacity the PSI and cyliders combine to produce. The 4X1X series has a higher PSI and flow rate (flow rate = speed) than the 2210. The tractor frame and loader mount configuartion is considerably different, becasue of differences in frame length and height of the machines and mounting points from the ground.

I know it came from a dealer, but I sincerely doubt they will begin to fit the smaller lift capacity loader to the 4X1X series, and, even if so, don't see how it would still have the lesser lift capacity. If they did try to adapt it to fit both number lines, they would essentially end up with two different loaders anyway (maybe 210A and 210B ???). I could be way off here, and apologize in advance if that is so. But I would guess your dealer is missing critical information about the loader upgrades. Otherwise, he is predicting a complicated downgrade for the 4X1X line, which would be mistake in anyone's eyes--except the competition.

I will check with my dealer this week to see what he knows, if anything. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

 

[ADin]

Ok, now this is starting to feel like a bad dream coming true. I'm not sure if this is new or if I had missed it earlier, but I just noticed that the 200X Loader is now listed on the JD configurator page and indeed calls out mounting frame kits for the 2210 and 4X1X series. It is also listed at ~$500 less than 410 loader.

So far seems Steamynachos's info is panning out despite my disbelief. I can not yet find any true details or pictures of this loader yet but I have to assume ~$500 savings comes with sacrifices.

Are anybody's moles out there leaking info yet? I'm not sure I'm willing to rush my purchase at this point but I'm afraid I may have to reopen my whole tractor model and color selection which was already a long protracted process. Not to mention the every present risk the general accounting office may put a freeze on 2Q05 spending...

 

[ljrobinson]

If you look at the JD build site, the 200 x and 200 cx are listed as the new loaders for the 2210 and small frame CUTs. The 200x is designed to be put on and left on the tractor. The 200cx is a step up with higher capacity and the quick attach and removal we all love about JD Loaders. My dealer tells me that the next announcement will most likely be a new line of small CUT to replace those remaining 4000 10 models.

 

[rockyridgefarm]

from Deere.com ......

The 200X and 200CX Loaders are designed for use on the small-chassis 2210, 4110, and 4115 Tractors, replacing the 210 and 410 Loaders

TRACTOR ATTACHING
The 200X Loader is a non-parking loader intended to remain on the tractor. It can be removed with the use of a device to support the loader boom.
The 200CX allows easy installation/removal of loader to/from the tractor without the use of tools.



200CX Loader
2210, 4010, 4110, 4115
Specifications Per ASAE 301.3
Measured @ Pivot Pin:
Lift Capacity 800 Lbs. (363 kg)
Lift Height 78.7 In. (2000 mm)
Boom Breakout 2137 Lbf. (9510 N)
Dump Angle - 38 Degrees
Rollback Angle - 25 Degrees
Quik-Tatch Parking
Quik-Tatch Carrier
Mounting Frame
Hood Guard
Bucket Level Indicator
53 In. (1350 mm) Material Bucket


200X Loader
2210, 4010, 4110, 4115
Specifications Per ASAE 301.3
Measured @ Pivot Pin:
Lift Capacity 562 Lbs. (255 kg)
Lift Height 73.4 In. (1865 mm)
Boom Breakout 1513 Lbf. (6730 N)
Dump Angle - 39 Degrees
Rollback Angle - 31 Degrees
Quik-Tatch Carrier
Mounting Frame
Hood Guard
49 In. (1250 mm) Material Bucket

210 Loader (2210 only)
49 In. (1250 mm) Materials Bucket
Quik-Tatch Parking
Quik-Change Attachment
Mounting Frame
Hood Guard
Specifications Meet ASAE301.3
Specifications:
Lift Capacity: 640 Lbs. (290 kg)
Breakout @ Pivot: 1565 Lbs. (7017N)
Lift Height: 68.5 In. (1740 mm)
Rollback Angle: 26.5 Degrees
Dump Angle: 47 Degrees

410 Loader
4010, 4110, 4115
49 In. (1250 mm) Materials
Bucket
Quik-Tatch Parking
Quik-Change Attachment
Mounting Frame
Hood Guard
Specifications Meet ASAE301.3

Specifications (4100,4110):

Lift Capacity: 800 Lbs. (363 kg)
Breakout @ Pivot: 2130 Lbs. (9475 N)
Lift Height: 74 In. (1880 mm)
Rollback Angle: 25 Degrees
Dump Angle: 45 Degrees

 

[rockyridgefarm]

front view, 61" bucket...

 

[rockyridgefarm]

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