Caroni Flail Mower Roller is a POS

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rims421

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new holland tc- 35
I bought a Caroni TM 1900 flail mower last season from Agri Supply.
It cuts great and I have used it to cut about 30 acres of rough pasture last season.
However I think I dented the roller the very first time I used it.
Well it has become so dented that it is now bent like a banana.
We used to use flail mowers at my old job ( mostly Mott mowers) and I never saw one with even a single dent in the roller.
I am wondering if other people have had the same issue and what they did to provide a long term fix.
We are in the middle of our busiest time of year right now and I really need to use this mower.
Any suggestions would be great.
 
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I'm still deciding on purchasing this mower. Any pictures?
 
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Hello rims421,

The Caroni family has been building high quality mowing and tillage equipment for many years and entered the export market to the United States a little more than a decade ago.

You can either purchase a replacement rear roller and have it shipped overnight from Agrisupply or repair this one.
Some of the owners just bang them back into place as close as possible if they do not have smoke wrenches and or a welder.

If you want to pursue this further please contact Rodney Barbour at Agrisupply who is the imported implement equipment manager for Agrisupply on Tuesday morning and ask specifically for him and please explain to him that "I" sent you to him to resolve this issue for you AND describe exactly what happened to your flail mower the mowing speed you were using and your mowing conditions. I know personally that he will help you with this to reach a successful conclusion for you.

These are the two best answers I can give you at the moment as I am unable to see the damaged rear roller. You have two quick repair options that can be accomplished if you have access to a welding shop and or a hydraulic press and some angle iron and a helper..



If on the other hand you wish to repair it yourself can be accomplished by either using a hydraulic press and small angle iron and heat from a rosebud torch if you have a rosebud torch with a large oxygen/ acetylene or oxygen/propain gas supply to use with a rosebud torch or a large cutting torch with a medium length feather flame to heat and then use the press in combination with the angle iron tacked to the rear roller to push the roller back to center using the angle iron to maintain a true centerline to correct the banana shape that exists with the damaged rear roller.

It would be best to have a helper while doing this as you will need an extra set of hands and welding gloves to use a torch and a hydraulic press in order to use angle iron to straighten the barrel of the rear roller.



After this you could or can weld a slightly larger piece of steel tube to cover the damaged roller and then weld the ends of the outer tube to the Caroni rear roller by welding a thick steel washer of sorts cut from sheet steel to both ends of the Caroni rear roller and the then welding it to the steel tube that will cover the original equipment rear roller that came with the TM1900.

You will need to shim the exterior tube to center the original caroni roller to assure that the roller does not develop a case of the hoppsies and create more stress to the rear roller bearings supplied with the TM1900.

If the mowing conditions you have are rough you may end up building a mower cradle using 4 pneumatic caster wheels bolted to an angle iron tray that is bolted to the flail mower that would carry the mower while mowing.

The 4 pneumatic casters would be adjusted using flat washers to raise and lower the mowers cutting height as you are obviously dealing with a very high population of rocks due to the mowing work you are doing.
You will lose some of the artificial pressure gradient/vacuum created by the flail mowers high speed rotor and knives sets but the mower will still maintain its frame strength and prevent any wracking or twisting while you are working with it.

I wish I could be of more help but perhaps making a cradle of sorts with 4 pneumatic casters using welded and or bolted angle iron are the best solution for now as you have issues with rocks apparently.

Island Tractor is going on his 9th mowing season? with his TM1900 so please understand that you have a very well built flail mower that uses many of the same components and weldments used in the Caroni families line of rototillers so please keep that in mind.

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Hello madpuma13,


Would you mind describing the mowing you are doing and then please look at the before and after pictures that Island tractor and other members have uploaded for everyone to see?

Is your brush mowing anything like the scrub brush/weed trees and scrub vegetation around Houston and Austin?

Keep in mind that Island Tractor and I and others will back thier flail mowers over heavy brush clumps/or islands of weed trees on the first pass and then mow forward to shred them even more to mow them down even more on the first mowing.



leonz
 
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Thanks for the suggestions Leonz. Don't get me wrong I am pleased overall with the performance of this mower especially for the price. I just cant understand why they would use such thin steel for the roller.
The only part of the mower that is in contact with the ground should be able to roll over rocks and not be dented that easily. I am considering adding a tail wheel assembly as you have suggested. I don't have a hydraulic press to attempt to straighten my roller. And a replacement roller would end up in the same condition unless they are making them out of thicker steel than the original. You mentioned I would lose the artificial pressure gradient / vacuum with the tail wheel assembly. How would that effect the mowers performance ?
 
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Thanks for the suggestions Leonz. Don't get me wrong I am pleased overall with the performance of this mower especially for the price. I just cant understand why they would use such thin steel for the roller.
The only part of the mower that is in contact with the ground should be able to roll over rocks and not be dented that easily. I am considering adding a tail wheel assembly as you have suggested. I don't have a hydraulic press to attempt to straighten my roller. And a replacement roller would end up in the same condition unless they are making them out of thicker steel than the original. You mentioned I would lose the artificial pressure gradient / vacuum with the tail wheel assembly. How would that effect the mowers performance ?


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Hello rims421,


The thing is that the ground that these units roll over in Europe have been picked absolutely clean of rocks over the many years that a farm or vineyard has been operating so they have no where near the amount of glacial rock that we have over here.

The faster way to do this to use a length of black iron pipe using a torch to heat the original rear roller and just push it over the existing damaged roller and then you can use it with zero issues after you run a bead of weld around it or use a pair of slugs welded to the original roller to hold the sleeve.

Adding a tail wheel assembly without front pneumatic casters to provide a level plane for the mower at all times would be counter productive as the flail mower would always want to roll forward simply because the rear of the flail mower would be higher than the front of the flail mower.

If you construct a carrying frame to bypass the need for a rear roller you will have no issues
as long as it has the 2 or 4 pneumatic casters that can be adjusted using flat washers and fine threaded bolts and nuts to adjust the mowing height.

After this is done the three point hitch simply becomes a method to carry and pull the flail mower for you.

Sliding a piece of black iron pipe over the damaged rear roller and smacking it with 2 by 4 and a persuader as the rear roller is heated is the quicker of the two options for you as you can buy heavy wall black iron pipe and then all you have to do is remount it on the rear roller mounting arms.

If you have a machine shop nearby or a friend that has a a hydraulic press a big pizza bribe to help fix the rear roller using the black iron pipe sleeve wont take long to do.

Later on you could always mount pneumatic casters on the rear of the flail mower shroud in the following manner:

The 2-4 pneumatic rear casters would be mounted on a piece of angle iron that would be bolted to the rear portion of the flail mower shroud.

The angle iron would have to be one continuous piece of 6" or 8" inch 1/4" angle iron that strengthens the rear of the flail mower shroud and be bent to the proper angles to allow the mower to remain horizontal at all times once the top link is leveled using a torpedo level on the gear box.

Your also going to have to plan to bolt a piece of 6" or 8" flat stock the width and length of the angle iron you use on the inside of the flail mower shroud to maintain the rigidity of the flail mower shroud.

Using fine thread 3/8 bolts and nuts and red Loctite to secure the flat stock to the angle iron
will prevent the steel plate and angle iron from loosening.

You would need to drill two rows of bolt holes in the flat stock and the angle iron attached to the flail mower shroud to properly attach it to avoid any issues with it.

This would or could be a winter project I guess but the quicker fix is the sliding the steel pipe sleeve over the existing rear roller using the smoke wrench to heat the rear roller to allow the pipe to slide over it with a persuader and a block of hardwood.

You would need to make sure that the opposing mounting stub is never damaged if you are sliding the pipe slug over the roller vertically unless you have a good heavy vise to hold it over several moves sliding the sleeve over the roller.

It will be simpler-actually the best way- rent a pipe vise to do the work as you can have a level plane to slide the steel pipe sleeve over the roller gradually OR with a helper heat the rear roller and push it into the sleeve using hard wood blocking with a hole cut in the blocking to accept the rear roller mounting stub. Then you can put a bead of weld around both ends using a gas welder to braze it or use a heliarc welder to weld several small short beads around both ends of the black iron pipe. Brazing the ends would be simpler and less damaging as you are unable to ground the weldment adequately to heliarc weld it.









All large flail crop shredders of all types-cup/scoop knife, side slicer knife etc., use hydraulics to lift and lower the flail shredder wheel sets to adjust the mowing height.
 
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I'm just guessing that if I took that to any one of a few talented friends, they would deem it cheaper to make a new one. Fix the old one, and you still have the same garbage.

I had a Ford 917 Flail for years, and with the stones around here, I just beat the living crap out of the poor old thing. But I never ever dented or bent the roller. I even tore the rear roller bearings out of it catching it on a stump or something.
 
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That is why I suggested the pipe vice and the torch to heat the roller to slide the new pipe over it and then run a bead of weld around the old and new pipe as that would be the fastest way to do the repair.
Once the new pipe slug/sleeve is pushed over the old roller and the two welded together its going to last a long longer and resist denting even more.
 
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I bought a piece of 5" schedule 80 steel pipe to use as a replacement. The welding shop will cut off the ends and weld on the schedule 80.
The pipe cost $120, not sure how much the welding shop will cost, new set of bearings approx. $76.00. Not a cheap fix for a one year old mower. Wish they would consider using a roller made out of something a little thicker. The difference in the cost of the schedule 80 verses schedule 40 pipe was about $50.00.
 
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rims421, did you talk with Agrisupply on this at all? I have found they stand behind the products they sell very very well. It is not impossible the rear roller could have been damaged in shipping by being dropped and the banana shape came from that.
 
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The only difficulty in making a roller is to have the ends rounded as square ends would chew up turf in a turn.
 
 

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