CASE 585 4wd w/ loader value/review?

   / CASE 585 4wd w/ loader value/review? #11  
That is a good heavy duty utility tractor. That front axle is fairly substanial and it has planetary reduction units.
Also the front drive has a multi disc wet clutch for engaging it.
Yes for your IPTO you can engage or disengage it at any time with no need to use the clutch,
as a matter of fact the tractors clutch will have absolutly no affect on it.
As farmer 495 said for any back and forth work just use the range transmission low and reverse as a shuttle,
coming to a full stop unless you wish to backup in a different gear then you were using forward.
Enjoy your tractor.
 
   / CASE 585 4wd w/ loader value/review? #12  
I like those seats with a damper and spring. Our old JD has similar sort of system and it is nice. Maybe you can find an original one, but then again I do keep threatening to put a Grammar air seat on everything we own.

On the PTO, I always use the clutch to ease the load on the PTO.
Probably because I like to think of our tractors as draft horses, not race horses.
rScotty
 
   / CASE 585 4wd w/ loader value/review? #13  
On an independent PTO the tractors main clutch is not linked to the PTO in any way.
 
   / CASE 585 4wd w/ loader value/review? #14  
On an independent PTO the tractors main clutch is not linked to the PTO in any way.
That's right. Does that mean that the PTO on the Case doesn't have its own clutch? I guess I thought that since our JD has a PTO clutch that others did as well.
 
   / CASE 585 4wd w/ loader value/review? #15  
Yes it has it's own clutch pack actuated by hydraulics.
 
   / CASE 585 4wd w/ loader value/review? #16  
That's right. Does that mean that the PTO on the Case doesn't have its own clutch? I guess I thought that since our JD has a PTO clutch that others did as well.

85 series IPTO is wet clutch pack, own separate lever, nice smooth engagement if you move lever slow, or instant engagement if you move it fast. You can disengage instantly at full engine RPM with no affect on travel speed. I usually let off RPM to engage, but it can be engaged smoothly with engine at PTO speed if wanted.

You can also "slip" the PTO, by holding it part way, but not real reason to do that.
 
   / CASE 585 4wd w/ loader value/review? #17  
..You can also "slip" the PTO, by holding it part way, but not real reason to do that.
We had the previous versions that were IH 464's and 574, they actually had a notch or stepped "START" position just forward of the OFF position that was where you moved the PTO lever to to GENTLY start the PTO spinning. Once it was up to speed you pushed the lever completely forward to the ON position. These newer models don't have that?
 
   / CASE 585 4wd w/ loader value/review? #18  
Try not to be too critical about the seat height/location,,
when it operates correctly,, that high seat actually has a function for you.

I have a similar high seat,, and I always wondered why the tractor was designed for a minimum 6'7" person.
I recently read about the JD similar model, it has a seat like this.

The purpose of the seat is to assist the operator in changing from a seated to a standing position, and back.
Apparently, there are tractor operations that require frequent changes from seated, to standing..

I currently have a nice replacement seat that does that exact function.

Set the seat to the operators weight, and height,
the seat functions perfectly moving the operator with assist from seated to standing, effortlessly.
When you sit down, the seat is supposed to lower by body weight, then rise as you attempt to get up.
Sorta like a handicapped lift chair, but, no need to push a button, and wait for the actuator.
I think the seat will move over 6 inches in height travel.
It is nice when you sit down, and the seat contacts you, lowering you easily, the rest of the way.

My seat came from Welcome to KAB Seating , but, I do not see my model there now.
I did buy my seat 15 years ago, and it still works like the day I installed it.

I have the 584, with the 2250 loader,, and have owned it for 25 years.
I had to replace the sending unit to get the temp gauge working,, that was a trick finding one that matched the gauge,, but, with an ohm meter, I was able to determine the right sending unit,, that only cost about $12.

My fuel gauge is a little "WONKEY",, but, I know when to get fuel.
My AMP "idiot light" has always functioned perfectly.
The "one wire" self exciting alternator has to get some RPM's up to start charging.
That is normal for that type alternator.

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I have the identical IPTO,, and the big difference I see is that my 4 gears are in a row,, straight,
instead of the "H" pattern on the 585.

When I drive the 1/2 mile to my daughters, the 4 gears shift by simply depressing the clutch.
Those four gears are fully synchronized.
You do not have to start out in high gear,,
It sorta sounds like a diesel sports car going through the gears.
I know the sound of the tractor drives a couple of my neighbors crazy,,
They have even mentioned how nicely the machine goes through the gears, and accelerates.
That transmission would be amazing at pulling a trailer,,

If you can not get the tach to work,
something as simple as a Briggs & Stratton 19200 Tachometer should easily tell you PTO speed.
That tach will mechanically allow you to know the engine speed of a particular throttle setting.
I have that tach for use with garden tractors.


After you use the tractor 5-10 times, you will "know" where to set 540RPM pto speed.
 
   / CASE 585 4wd w/ loader value/review? #19  
..I have the 584, with the 2250 loader,, and have owned it for 25 years.

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I love seeing those tractors! That would be a size up and the next gen from the 574 we had. Very rare were 4wd around area in SW. MO.
 
   / CASE 585 4wd w/ loader value/review? #20  
We had the previous versions that were IH 464's and 574, they actually had a notch or stepped "START" position just forward of the OFF position that was where you moved the PTO lever to to GENTLY start the PTO spinning. Once it was up to speed you pushed the lever completely forward to the ON position. These newer models don't have that?

There is the notch but it's not labelled start, sort of a zig zag and then you hook the lever around a notch. Part way does the soft start aspect. The lever is spring loaded so it goes back to off so you can't leave it partway engaged.
 

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