Dealer Central Ohio Bobcat Dealer

[Bobcat Joe]

Just wanted to say Hello to everyone, I am new to the site and am having a lot of fun helping and answering questions. I am with Bobcat Enterprises Inc in Hilliard, Ohio. If you have any tractor needs I would be glad to help and also feel free to ask me any questions you might have on our tractors!

thanks again!

 

[Bobcat Joe]

Thought i would send another message as I have updated my contact info in the signature line.

 

[tinman955]

Hey Joe welcome to the Bobcat forum. We will sure appreciate your Bobcat knowledge.

 

[Mrb94]

Hi Joe,

I recently came upon the Bobcat line, and purchased a CT225 this weekend with a deluxe suspension seat, Bob-Tach, FEL and pallet forks. I actually started out looking for used JD4110's, and even the Kubota B series, but ended up with this tractor due to it's rebate, free FEL and the loader capacity being higher than what I was looking at.

Since you have offered to answer questions, I'm hoping that you can answer a couple that my local dealer could not:
1. What is the breakout capacity on the loader and the curl capacity? The reason that I am asking this is because I have lots of pallets of pavers and retaining wall block that I need to move around for my many projects. I'm hoping that I can at least get these off the gound so that I can move them without having to break the pallets up. I realize that the loader cannot lift them very high (if at all), but I'm hoping to avoid breaking the pallets.
2. I have seen posts that Bobcat "made" Daedong make 120 changes to the Kioti tractors to "Bobcat" them, and my local dealer mentioned 111 changes. There are some Kioti dealers on here that dispute that - even going so far as to say that they have been to the factory and seeing both makes coming down the assembly line using the same parts. It would be good if Bobcat could publish the actual changes that were made. My dealer said that the front axle is a different one for instance.

Thanks in advance for offering to answer questions. Since my dealer did not have a Bob-Tach FEL, I have to wait a couple of weeks for my tractor. This is really going to be the longest 2 weeks of my life!!

 

[tinman955]

Congrats on yr new purchase, dont feel bad I also have been waiting a few weeks for rear remotes for the backhoe. What kind of forks did you get?

 

[Mrb94]

Hi Tinman,

I went with a set of 42" Bobcat skidsteer forks. I also asked for a set of rear remotes to run a future 3-point log splitter, but turned them down when quoted $515. Maybe I'll buy a kit and install myself.

 

[IXLR8]

1. What is the breakout capacity on the loader and the curl capacity? The reason that I am asking this is because I have lots of pallets of pavers and retaining wall block that I need to move around for my many projects. I'm hoping that I can at least get these off the gound so that I can move them without having to break the pallets up. I realize that the loader cannot lift them very high (if at all), but I'm hoping to avoid breaking the pallets.

This is a matter of much debate, Bobcat says one thing, the maker of the loader, Rhino, quotes another, lower amount. To add to the confusion, there is also debate if Rhino and Bobcat are measuring the lift at the same points. There is speculation that Rhino is measuring at cutting edge of the bucket and Bobcat is measuring at the pins. I don't know of anybody who has actually independently measured the capacity to come up with a realistic answer.

2. I have seen posts that Bobcat "made" Daedong make 120 changes to the Kioti tractors to "Bobcat" them, and my local dealer mentioned 111 changes. There are some Kioti dealers on here that dispute that - even going so far as to say that they have been to the factory and seeing both makes coming down the assembly line using the same parts. It would be good if Bobcat could publish the actual changes that were made. My dealer said that the front axle is a different one for instance.

If you search the Kioti forums, you can see pictures that one of the dealers posted after visiting the Kioti factory showing both orange and white tractors on the same assembly line and parked side by side at the end.
I would be very interested in knowing what all the changes are that Bobcat had made to the Daedong tractors. I have heard of various changes... but nobody has listed/documented them.

 

[billiardbrawler]

Hi Joe,

I recently came upon the Bobcat line, and purchased a CT225 this weekend with a deluxe suspension seat, Bob-Tach, FEL and pallet forks. I actually started out looking for used JD4110's, and even the Kubota B series, but ended up with this tractor due to it's rebate, free FEL and the loader capacity being higher than what I was looking at.

Since you have offered to answer questions, I'm hoping that you can answer a couple that my local dealer could not:
1. What is the breakout capacity on the loader and the curl capacity? The reason that I am asking this is because I have lots of pallets of pavers and retaining wall block that I need to move around for my many projects. I'm hoping that I can at least get these off the gound so that I can move them without having to break the pallets up. I realize that the loader cannot lift them very high (if at all), but I'm hoping to avoid breaking the pallets.
2. I have seen posts that Bobcat "made" Daedong make 120 changes to the Kioti tractors to "Bobcat" them, and my local dealer mentioned 111 changes. There are some Kioti dealers on here that dispute that - even going so far as to say that they have been to the factory and seeing both makes coming down the assembly line using the same parts. It would be good if Bobcat could publish the actual changes that were made. My dealer said that the front axle is a different one for instance.

Thanks in advance for offering to answer questions. Since my dealer did not have a Bob-Tach FEL, I have to wait a couple of weeks for my tractor. This is really going to be the longest 2 weeks of my life!!

Hi Brian,

I have got some answers for you-strait from Bobcat.

Loader breakout by sae standards are derived by measuring 500 mm from the bucket pin. (basically a 24" load center). The actual breakout on the 7tl loader is 1,904 lbs.

The 111 changes - 120 changes must be taken with a grain of salt. (don't shoot the messenger).

I first must acknowledge 2 points that I was mis- informed on. The axles and the frame are the same as the kioti.

Alot of the changes are very minor, for instance, Bobcat evaluated their factory and made many changes to the way the tractor is produced, both production wise and material/feature wise.

A couple examples are as follows:

Our loader is a heavier loader allowing for more lift capacity and longer life.
Our seat flips forward so your bum doesn't get wet when you leave the tractor in the rain.
Our seat belt is mounted with the seat itself, not on the frame, this allows the seat belt to move with the bounce of the terrain......mounted to the frame would pinch you.
We use a spark arrest muffler.
We use a 2 stage air cleaner as opposed to a single stage.
We implemented tie downs that didn't exist before.
We engineered and produce a mid mount mower, and rear and soon front snow blower for the tractor.

ect...

The biggest change is the Bobcat dealer network that exists. We have over 600 dealers across the us. We have over 50 yrs experience in the compact Equipment market and I 've been with Bobcat since 1988.

I apologize once again for the mis information on the frame and axles, but I promise, as your salesman to take care of you. I may not have all the answers but I'll sure try to get them for you.

thanks, steve

 

[Mrb94]

Hi Brian,

I have got some answers for you-strait from Bobcat.

Loader breakout by sae standards are derived by measuring 500 mm from the bucket pin. (basically a 24" load center). The actual breakout on the 7tl loader is 1,904 lbs.


thanks, steve

Hi Steve,

Thanks for getting back to me, and for joining TractorByNet - I hope that you frequent the Bobcat forum to provide a Bobcat Dealer perspective to the masses. I frequented this website for quite some time (well over a year) before joining, and it has helped me quite a bit in my research which ultimately led me to your dealership to purchase my CT225.

There are numerous threads on here relative to the differences in the loader specs as published between Rhino and Bobcat, and I hope that the differences (and why there are) can be put to bed.

For instance, and I'm quoting from the Bobcat implement brochure you handed me and the revision dated 01/09 of the 2407TL Rhino loader manual:
Bobcat states that loader lift capacity to full height at the bucket pins is 1605 pounds, whereas Rhino is stating that it's 1035.

In all fairness, though, Rhino does not say where that 1035 weight is taken at, so it could be at 500mm (19.7") in front of the bucket pin. However, the Bobcat spec is stating that point is 1225 pounds. The Rhino spec sheet is stating that the breakout at the pivot pin is 1770 pounds, and you are telling me that Bobcat is saying that 500mm in front of that pin the breakout force is 1904 pounds. The breakout force 500mm in front should not be more than at the pivot pin. Something here is not jiving.

Lets just assume for a minute that the Rhino numbers are correct (1035 to maximum height and 1770 pounds breakout). Before I looked at Bobcat, I looked at both Green and Orange (Japan, not Korea) tractors. Specifically, I was looking at a used JD4110, and a new Kubota B2620. The JD has a rating at the pivot pins of 882 to max height and 2257 pounds of breakout force. The Kubota has a rating at the pivot pins of 952 to max height and 2144 pounds of breakout force.

That's why, when I came into your dealership, that I was inquisitive about the breakout force. I surmised that, if the other loaders that I looked at had either a 156% difference (JD) between the weights and 125% (Kubota), if I took the smaller difference precentage of the 2, I was looking at a breakout force at the pivot pins of around 3600 pounds. That seemed reasonable since, if looking for a comparable JD pivot pin capacity to max height, a 300CX on a 3x20 has ratings of 1492 pounds and 3242 pounds breakout.

Bottom line, with my pallet forks (assuming they are going to weigh about 400 pounds), I need to get paver and retaining wall pallets that weigh around 2500 pounds far enough off the ground in order to move them around my yard without breaking the pallets apart. The breakout force I would expect from the lift capacity weights provided should enable me to do that. The breakout forces provided by both Rhino and Bobcat will not allow me to do that.

If I use the 500mm weight of 1225 pounds, and breakout force of 1904 pounds (Bobcat, not Rhino nunbers), that's only a 55% difference. How can the other loaders have such a large percentage difference between the numbers? So, if these numbers end up being correct, and if the pallet fork attachment does indeed weigh around 400 pounds, I will need to break up all the pallets almost in have before moving them. Right now that is around 20 pallets, and that's just for starters on my house projects. My back is going to be killing me! (That's why only about 7 pallets got done last year without a tractor)

Sorry for the long post, and I hope that you can find out some answers.

Thanks,
Brian

 

[tinman955]

You know what would be nice was if someone actually could measure the weight with an actual tractor so we new with out a doubt what it could do.