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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( with the child seat for the bike, it shows a full harness type seatbelt, a helmet, full height backrest, a padded lap bar, leg guards, etc.
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I also agree. That bike seat looks like it will keep the child in the seat completely.. and even if the bike did lay over, the seat looks rugged enough to keep the weight of the bike off the child, and to keep the child outside of the crush zone. The lawntractor seat we say was worlds different in design..

Soundguy
 
   / child add on seat #42  
I read these posts with amsusing nostalgia. Yes I agree the buddy seat on a lawnmower is dumb, and no way am I against saftey. However, reading the responses conjurs up memories of a 6 year old kid running a sickle bar round & round big fields on a then new Farmall H, having to stand up to depress the clutch pedal and having the time of his life /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif That kid of course was me in the early 1950's in a different time. Was it dangerous? Heck yes, but I did learn a lot, not only how to shift gears and listen to the language of tractor speak, but an early sense of self relience.
This is/was of course 180 out of todays thinking, and I agree not necessarily the right thing to do. It does make one think though, in todays world of wall to wall safety placards, litigation, politically correct, over protected society that maybe we're missing an element of greater value. Again, I don't encourage reckless anything and personally use a ROPS, seat belts, and wear a helmit when riding my bike, just food for thought. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / child add on seat #43  
Syncro
Right on there. Good food for thought.
I recall the same "in the seat" 'ride' on the two-wheel siclebar mower, the single disc, and the dump rake for collecting hay and dumping it to make a wind-row. One learned at an early age to 'hang on'.

I don't think this is a "Deere" product, but instead someones home-built rig that he is selling (or trying to sell) on e-Bay. So doubt there is anything in the 'manual' about its use.
 
   / child add on seat #44  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( and personally use a ROPS, seat belts, and wear a helmit when riding my bike)</font>

Synchro
I too recall those good old days of having to stand up to hit the clutch.

Can you post a picture of your bike? I've never seen one with a ROPS and seatbelt. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / child add on seat #45  
You caught my attention with news of this unbelievably dangerous product. l am compelled to write a few comments.

Law school forever engrained in my mind the concept of a “reasonable man” standard. If you cause an injury, your conduct will be judged based on a comparison with the conduct of the mythical reasonable man. The reasonable man is a legal construct for incredibly safe behavior. For example, a reasonable man would never refuel his mower by transferring gasoline while it is parked in the garage. Instead, the reasonable man would first push the tractor well away from the house, attach a grounding clip to a clean and bright metal surface of the chassis, the plastic fuel tank and a proper grounding rod driven deep into the soil. He would also wear hearing protection, eye protecting, heavy long pants, protective footwear, long sleeves and gloves while mowing. Without a doubt, no children would be allowed within 100 foot radius of the mower. In addition, a reasonable man would not wear open toed sandals or shorts while operating a mower.

The tractor shown in the photos is probably overloaded – full size operator plus two kids and “accessory” – probably adds another 100 pounds. Overloaded machine is dangerous - excess weight changes the dynamics of the machine and increases likelihood of breakdown or other failure leading to a dangerous condition. Query - what is the weight limit for this accessory? How was the weight limit established? What safety margin provided?

Tree branches and other hazards may miss the operator and strike the passengers. Crushing hazards associated with operating the tractor in reverse. Others before me have already raised the issues of seatbelts and roll-over protection systems.

Manufacturer probably includes language in the operators manual admonishing the use of non-authorized accessories. Such language may or may not protect the manufacturer/distributor from liability for unauthorized accessory. One question that would likely be explored in a products liability suit would address foreseeability – could the manufacturer/distributor foresee that somebody would install such a contraption? In any event, a plaintiff lawyer may look at the pretty homes appearing in the photos and decide that our guy has some assets worthy of attachment.

Do not be impressed by the miss-spelled reference to a patent – safety and manufacturer liability are not part of the standards for granting a patent.

Don’t forget to recognize the difference between common sense and good sense. Common sense is often a product of the times (cyclists w/out helmets, riders in a pick-up box, un-belted kids in a car, smoking, unprotected sex and many more) – good sense is timeless.

See ya.
 
   / child add on seat #46  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( You caught my attention with news of this unbelievably dangerous product. l am compelled to write a few comments.

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Don’t forget to recognize the difference between common sense and good sense. Common sense is often a product of the times (cyclists w/out helmets, riders in a pick-up box, un-belted kids in a car, smoking, unprotected sex and many more) – good sense is timeless.

See ya. )</font>

I have often wondered if “reasonable man” frequent these forums. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif The Jury is still out...... /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
   / child add on seat #47  
I would not use this product if it was free including the mower.

My concentration, or lack there of, would be divided between the simple task of mowing and monitoring the children simultaneously.

Maybe a better idea to include the kids is a wagon (pull behind) with belts, debris protection and a breakaway tongue that would prevent a roll over.
 

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