Child Safety Seats on a Kubota?

   / Child Safety Seats on a Kubota? #11  
I'll have to admit to having very mixed feelings about this topic. I grew up out in the country, was around farm animals and equipment, and like you, wouldn't take anything for the experiences I had, but sometimes when I recall some of those experiences and some of the things we did, I'm amazed that I survived. I also had my own rifle and shotgun from the age of 10 and hunted alone for small game to eat. I loved it, but I'd sure be reluctant to turn my 12 year old grandson loose with a gun nowadays. And this morning, I read in The Dallas Morning News of a 12 year old boy who was killed yesterday in Dallas. He was a passenger in a go cart his friend had just received for Christmas. Both boys wearing seat belts; neither wearing a helmet when they flipped it on a small hill. Of course, when I was growing up, no one ever heard of wearing helmets and, to the best of my knowledge, seatbelts and roll bars hadn't been invented. Like I said, mixed feelings and much more cautious than my dad was, but yes, I've let my grandson drive the tractor just a little bit and even my pickup in the pasture, and I'm sure I'll be letting him do it in the future. Just hope he and I both have enough sense to avoid any serious accidents.

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   / Child Safety Seats on a Kubota? #12  
I am also one who isn't a parent. I have several nieces and nephews plus friends who have children. My thoughts on this is that where the adults who work with the children in encouraging them and teaching how to do and what not to do. These are the ones whose children seem to get along with little harm. I find it hard to keep my mouth shut, when an adult simply says there it is be careful. These adults are the ones who start screaming why did you do that when something goes wrong. JIM
 
   / Child Safety Seats on a Kubota? #13  
Re: Child Safety amd experiences

My main point being that most people under-estimate the risks concerning small lawn tractors. The statistics show that these things are somewhat dangerous, especially to ride-along children and yet many people treat them as "harmless".

All of the same types of accidents that happen on larger tractors happen on these smaller units. They roll over on slopes and crush people. They drive over people (backing over children the operator did not realize are present is a common way for this to happen). They pin people against immovable objects. They cut off fingers, hands, toes, feet, and sometimes entire limbs with sharp blades and implements. They entagle fingers, hands, hair, clothes, and limbs in drive shafts and belts, etc. Yes, they weigh less and have less power, so the fatality rates are lower, but the injuries still often fall into the "permanent" catagory.

One illustrative story I heard was about a lady who had her riding mower roll back on her while attempting to mow up a hill that was too steep. She suffered some broken ribs. Within a week after she was released from the hospital she was killed while attempting to mow the same hill! This time the mower rolled over on her and stayed on top of her, crushing her ribcage and preventing breathing. I think the machine in this case was 5 or 8 hp and weighed around 500 lbs.

The same thing applies to the "Extra Rider" part of my caution as well. The same types of things happen to extra riders on small lawn tractors as on larger tractors. If there is not a place for them to sit that has been designed with safety in mind, then it is hard to predict what might go wrong. Most often they fall off and get run into by the rear wheel, breaking an ankle or a leg.

I have to agree with the comment that almost everybody underestimates the risk they and their children take all the time riding in a car. Humans are just bad at the types of decisions involving infrequent occurences of things with really bad consequences. Considering that the stats are about 50% of all new drivers are involved in some type of an accident within the first two years of getting their license, it is amazing that we ever let any teenagers drive a car!

It is clear that certain risks need to be balanced against children learning to take care of themselves and grow up. I just wanted to point out that in this case the risks are higher than many people might think.

- Rick
 
   / Child Safety Seats on a Kubota? #14  
Re: Child Safety amd experiences

Although new to TBN, I couldn't fail to respond to posts on this thread -- I have been reading the various forums, long in advance of acquiring my 32 hp or so tractor. Part of my motivation is so I can enjoy the tractor experience safely. In my clinical practice, I freely admit to my patients that I don't have all the answers as a psychologist; hence, my willingness to seek them out on TBN and other places as I try to learn more about tractors.

All that considered, we all survive almost in spite of ourselves or our parents sometimes; and, we need to keep that in mind. No doubt many besides me rode in the back window of the car as kids, perhaps to escape the blue smoke cloud Dad was emitting or just so we didn't have to ride the "hump." So, most of us had good parents -- like someone said, however, we may have been lucky to survive childhood.

One thing I am a bit familiar with is cognitive development. I have a brilliant 7 year old daughter who will not be driving either of my tractors for several years. Her skills on machinery (achievement) will be enhanced by her aptitude and by experience reflecting her developmental age. In brief, a child does NOT have the capacity to make judgments and decisions about what is safe and what is not at the same level as an adult, regardless of exposure at a young age. I agree wholeheartedly with cowboydoc about the values gleaned from living next to the land. It develops a sense of responsibility, work ethic and does build strong family ties and values and, in my view, a spiritual orientation. Nevertheless, kids along with adults make lots of bad decisions --even with exposure --I read enough on TBN to know that. And, It doesn't matter how close we are to them when they roll the tractor -- we can simply get there faster to view the injuries.

We can share all the great things about rural life without putting our kids at risk. We have always made the smart and right decision for them - AS LONG AS THEY DON'T GET HURT. Once they do, then we've made a bad choice in allowing them to do something they probably shouldn't have been doing. Then, we live with the pain for the rest of our lives. Trust me, I deal with this regularly with clients grieving and regretting their decisions. Read the stats on kids and 4 wheelers, tractors, etc. Is it worth it?

People are all unique. I work with drinkers who can down a case of beer at a sitting and stand up and walk easily to their car and drive away ( I'd be in a coma). According to them, they are not impaired, but are they? By definition, judgment is impaired at that level. Kids hopefully are not allowed to drink, but sans alcohol, they still don't think like a rational, mature adult.

One personal anecdote: I have a veterinarian brother-in-law who had a younger brother my youngest sister's age. All in their family helped with chores, fed animals, rode and trained horses, etc. At 11, this younger brother was allowed to mow the ditches on a utility tractor. He would have been 42 this year, same age as my sister -- the tractor rolled and killed him. To paraphrase A.E. Housman, he was a "lad who died in his glory and never grew old."

Sorry about the length guys; call me a whimp, but there are some risks I just won't take. Thought I'd balance the thread.

Bill
 
   / Child Safety Seats on a Kubota? #15  
Re: Child Safety amd experiences

Bill - That was very well put, without a doubt. I don't think anyone would argue with you, either. As is commonly said, hindsight is 20/20. And it's true that those of us with wonderful memories of operating equipment on the farm are the ones who lived to have memories. Many children didn't.

So, you've balanced the thread, which was your intent. And you've done an excellent job of it, too. I don't have children, so it would be a moot point for me to say what I would do - I'm not in the situation, so I can't know. Still, I would hope I could find some way of allowing them to participate - SAFELY. Thanks for your input, Bill. The whole issue bears very serious consideration.
 
   / Child Safety Seats on a Kubota? #16  
Re: Child Safety amd experiences

MarkC,

Thanks for the kind reply. BTW, one can work with addicts without being one... Your comments about parenting/decision making are as valid as those of any of us. I admit that I am a protective parent; we worked a long time at having a child. I hope I have thought through things enough to "let go" when needed. Should my little Laura get frustrated with her old Dad if she can't do everything she wants, I'll be able to live with it, and, around machinery she'll be able to as well.
 
   / Child Safety Seats on a Kubota? #17  
I dug up some more concrete numbers. They were not quite as bad as I remember, but still notable.

Some of the stats are mixed in with walk-behind mowers, but they also indicate that 3/4 of all mowing accidents involve ride-on vs walk-behind.

Reported injuries per year:

Emergency room: 20,000 to 50,000 depending on source. 14 to 20% are children or something between 2,800 to 10,000.

Hospitalization: 7% of above or 1400 to 3500 total, 196 to 700 children.

Death: 75 total, 15 of which are children.

One source quoted the injury rate at 2.5 injuries per 1000 machines in use.

Here are some of the links where I found the info:

http://www.kidsource.com/CPSC/riding.mower.cpsc.html

http://my.webmd.com/content/article/1728.81217

http://www.rainbowpediatrics.net/faq/13.7.html

- Rick
 
   / Child Safety Seats on a Kubota? #18  
Rick - Sobering. No matter which of them is right.
 

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