chinese maybe!!!

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Are there a lot of any model or make of tractor with 29,000 hours? And somehow , I doubt you would run out and buy that tractor for 11 grand unless the wiring has been redone with gold

:thumbsup: BINGO! another question I'd have to ask is when was it rebuilt.

 

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I know I really didn't buy American when I bought my New Holland. But I think I supported more american workers. Not going on a rant here, but I think buying American now is more important than ever and getting harder to do every day. I am not knocking anyone for what he or she bought, just throwing that out there. USA

I hear this all the time, and would agree if possible. I hear folks saying I only buy 100% American. I have to ask where they bought their clothes, what type of vehicle they own, what appliances are in their house, Where do they keep their favorite set of CHINA plates etc.... Then I tell them if they are only buying American then they better live in the woods naked!!!!!!!!!

 

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USA companies are probably not as bad as third world companies about being dirty, because they have the EPA and Green Advocates watching their every move. Ken Sweet

The EPA and green advocates only protect US, just check on where used cellphones end up???????

In the end it all boils down to $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ nothing more nothing less. If jack so and so can raise the $$$ to get away with dumping ______, it'll happen.

 

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As the owner of a Chinese Tractor I never intended on it lasting 30,000 hours. 3,000 hours yes. I have not seen many Chinese tractors above 45HP and I have not seen many main line tractors in this HP class above 3,000 hours.

There are jinma's out there with over 3000hrs on them, folks just have to check the chinese sites. I'm not saying there are millions and I believe that is because they are a fairly new machine{US} and not many folks own one. Comparing %age of use on chinese tractors{in the US} to name brands is like comparing McD's to the home town restaurant. McD's will have made millions, but is it any better then_____ home town cooking?????

Asking one to last 30,000 Hours is like asking a Chevy truck to last for 1 million miles.

That'd be closer to 1,740,000 miles and of course this would be a small chevy not a semi.

You are comparing a tractor that is built along the same line as a semi. It can easily make 30,000 hours or 1 million miles. Asking a cut to do the same is few and far between just like asking a average pickup to do the same.

Just makes me laugh how some on this site think????

Chris

Agreed :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

 

[Soundguy]

Of course there are other considerations but in your example the cheap tractor is the better deal if you consider the time value of money. At 5% interest, a $10,000 loan for 10 years has a monthly payment of $106. A $20,000 loan for 20 years is $131.

considering it's hard to get a loan longer than 6ys on equipment, that margin drops to a few bucks..

soundguy

 

[studor]

Longevity is a primary selling feature of anything someone buys. If a Chinese tractor costs 30% less than a "quality" tractor, but only lasts 1/3-1/2 as long, then what was saved?

Actually -- a lot
Problem is everyone is in a bit different situation. If, as you say, the tractor is used to make a living, longevity may be an important factor since you may actually get to have 3000 hours on it in a couple of years. If, on the other hand, your predicted use is less, then the time value of money and affordability are more important factors. In my case the Chinese tractor was half the cost of anything else similarly equipped new and was affordable to me. I could have, as has been suggested by many on other threads on this forum gone out and borrowed the difference @ "0 percent" and paid for it over the next five years. That route seemed inherently foolish to me. In a couple of years my tractor has paid for itself with what I have done with it. The used tractor I had before never did but I sold it to some other sentimental fool who loves old iron like I do and has no expectations that it will ever earn its keep again. If in five or ten years when my current tractor has 3000 hours on it and it is candidate for the scrap heap, I will still be further ahead. JMHO
By the way -- I guess those Chevy trucks did not have the flaming windshield washer option:laughing::laughing:

 

[Soundguy]

as cheap as old iron goes for, I don't doubt many of them can pay for themselves many times over their life.. perhaps even at least once for each owner.. that's not an unreasonable expectation..

soundguy

 

[Builder]

The bottom line here is this: There's the age-old TBN comparison of the guys who own Chinese tractors comparing them to the guys who own non-chinese tractors (like Kubota, NH, Deere, etc.).

The pro-chinese owners like to state that their chinese tractors are "as good" or a few go even further and state they're "even better" than their neighbors' non-Chinese brands.

However, to leave out the longevity piece of the "as good" or "even better" part of the overall part of ownership of a tractor is a glaring omission. How long a tractor lasts is one of the biggest factors the buying decision of a tractor in the first place.

It really does make you laugh how some people on this site think. :laughing:

To conveniently leave out longevity in a purchasing decision.........:laughing:

How about parts & service of Chinese v. non-chinese?

 

[Brad_Blazer]

considering it's hard to get a loan longer than 6ys on equipment, that margin drops to a few bucks..

soundguy

It was just an example of the cost of capital investment. That extra $10,000 could be invested in other profit-making equipment or it could reduce the principal on another loan. Most would agree that investment capital is worth at least a 5% APR. On the other hand if it's stuck in a mattress then of course you are far better off having it invested in equipment with a longer service life.

 

[sweettractors]

It was just an example of the cost of capital investment. That extra $10,000 could be invested in other profit-making equipment or it could reduce the principal on another loan. Most would agree that investment capital is worth at least a 5% APR. On the other hand if it's stuck in a mattress then of course you are far better off having it invested in equipment with a longer service life.

Is it really true that Chinese tractors sell for as much as 10K New today? When I sold them about 10 years ago, my cost was around $3K for a new top line 284 Jinma. (28 HP). Ken Sweet