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   / Chinese Tillers #11  
What is your product Nomad?? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Egon /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
   / Chinese Tillers #12  
I do not expect to have to work on my implements every time I use them. From what I've heard, and seen with neighbors who wanted to "save a buck" and bought the really cheap Chinese stuff; they got really cheap Chinese stuff. No offense intended, but I can readily see the difference in quality between the "bargain" Chinese stuff and the quality pieces. If you don't mind wrenching and part searching (or making), and you have the luxury of having the time to work on the stuff.... Myself, I'll pay the extra hundred bucks or so for a known quality and the ability to get parts when needed.
 
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#13  
I am beating on dead horses? What does this saying mean? If it means I am making dead horses/topics re-alive, then I am glad. Science philosophers in the world in last decade have focused themselves onto only "where they have made mistakes in the past" instead of trying to find new things, instead of walking toward the future. They have started to see what I had seen a decade ago or two.

Detecting problems in other materials such as sheet metals, I,U,T beams, pipes, etc is easy and they can be improved easily by paying manufacturer only a little bit more. Using better or required grade materials is not a problem, does not require knowledge. Only payment a little bit more. You know this and your main complain concerning materials of Chinese products is about their casting quality only. This is a good example as it requires some more knowledge and some quality workmanship. You are an engineer at a construction machinery factory, aren't you? If you are at buying office of your factory, send me an acad drawing of one of your components or two. I will have one sample casted here and will have another sample casted in China. You will see there is no quality difference between them. And, you will like qualities of both of them. Buying offices of factories and also distributors/importers are usually making mistakes. All they do is to try to pay minimum. I pay a little bit more for Chinese products and I get much better quality Chinese items than the items made in the west you call quality item. For your information, gearboxes of KK tillers/cutters/etc are being made in China too. Lets not mention about many components of top tractors of world which are already being manufactured in China. So, if they want, they manufacture much better than anywhere, and still much cheaper than anywhere in the world, don't they? Then, why are some Chinese products low quality? You try to pay as low as possible. Your buying office at the factory is making mistake. Send me your dwg and let me prove.
 
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#14  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( What is your product Nomad?? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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Egon, it is knowledge, experience haha. that is used to till education land of some people.
 
   / Chinese Tillers #15  
The horse only died a year ago. Certainly you have to understand that with no significant changes made to the product nor the sales/support structure that the market dynamics aren't going to change much in such a short amount of time. Perhaps in the future the Chinese tillers will do well, but I think the fact that you're getting the same answers now that you did then should clue you in on what the market wants.
As far as quality of foreign goods are concerned, I will agree that if you are willing to pay for it, you can most likely get a quality product just about anywhere in the world. The question then becomes why pay to have it made somewhere else? There are 2 basic premises to importing a product 1) cheaper and at least adequate or 2) better and financially feasable. If they don't meet these criteria it doesn't make sense.
In fact, the company I work for has a manufacturing facility in China for the Chinese market. The Chinese facility regularly pays more for Chinese made parts than our other manufacturing facilities would because it makes logistical and geopolitical sense. It doesn't make sense for our other facilities to pay the same amount to import when they can get similar components locally for like money.
The point of all this is that what we are seeing here most likely is not the best equipment they have to offer and that combined with the other reasons is why they are not taking a significant market share. If the good stuff has to sell in the same price range as the current market holders, it will have to overcome the reputation built on the current products.
 
   / Chinese Tillers #16  
<font color="blue"> I am beating on dead horses? What does this saying mean? </font>

It means no matter how many times you beat a dead horse, you're not going to get any more work out him than you are right now. Or he's not going to go any faster. So in reality it's doing no good /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / Chinese Tillers #17  
I posted in the last time this similar thread came up:

I own a china tiller, and have had it for going on 4 seasons now, tilled a 1/2 acre garden about 20 times now and tilled unknown ground for a (in a straight line distance probably 1 mile) making rows for tree plantings full width of a 4 acre field spaced 10' appart. and then a good 20 + more rows in a 6 acre parcle. I hit many good sized rocks haven't broken a tine yet, (I got extras just in case & figured I would have broken a bunch of them but not a single one!) mine is not the chain drive it is a center harrow gear drive and what I would say is very heavy duty for a 46" tiller. it kept my tractor from sliding down an imbankment once too causing some bending of the center tine/harrow which I was able to remove & straighten with a press back to like new shape. (tractor slide sideways down into the creek when I was working the edge of the creek with the FEL and the bank gave way dripping tractor sideways almost 4' tiller caught top of bank as the wheels slide down. stopped the rear end alowed the front to slide & swing the front down hill facing straigher down. less sideways. FEL had a hugh pile of debris (old multi-floral rose, briars weeds ect pushed up in front.) was pretty stuck & finall had to drive forward on through & across the creek further twisting the tiller as the 3pt wouldn't go UP any farther due to the left rear wheel almost floating in air. (kind of high centered the tractor on the tiller & FEL... )

anyhow I got destracted.

I would get one again if I could get the same TYPE of gear drive unit... I'm not fond of ANY of the chain drives..
MarkM
 
   / Chinese Tillers #18  
Nomad, you appear to be involved in manufacturing implements in Turkey, so I don't understand why your talking up the China products? Or am I missing something - as usual.
 
   / Chinese Tillers #19  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Here is an example of a 42" Chinese FarmPro tiller for $1099.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=66889&item=7516765870&rd=1

I'll gladly pay another $151 (12%), which I did, for a Woods GTC40, made in Italy I believe. I can go to any of hundreds of Woods dealers for parts and service.

"Much cheaper", I don't see it. The Farmpro is definately not a bargain compared to the Woods GTC40. And it's certainly not a better tiller.

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Agreed! My Deere 450 tiller is about 8 years old now. I've tilled many hours with it and dislodged many rocks over the size of a grapefruit with it. The only casualty is the gate chain stretched to an unrecognizeable pitch from all the bouncing and the slotted bar that holds the chain bent open from all of the bouncing in rocky soil.

The tines are just about worn out and ready for replacement.



I realize this is a global board, but don't say I didn't warn you when the Asian economys take over the majority of industry/ownership of industry in the future...
 
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#20  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Nomad, you appear to be involved in manufacturing implements in Turkey, so I don't understand why your talking up the China products? Or am I missing something - as usual. )</font>

I am speaking up about them because I am a fairful gentleman unlike most, classical businessmen. China is a big supplier with many many similar items with many different qualities from low to average to high. Most of importers in the west are importing lowest quality products to keep their profit room larger. But, even their average quality products of Chinese companies can compete anyone both in quality and in price.
 
 

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