Chinese Tires on my JD

   / Chinese Tires on my JD #11  
I'm really disappointed to find that the 3032e I plan to buy has Chinese tires on it. I've had bad experiences with Chinese tires as have others according to this forum. I didn't buy John Deere over the others expecting something like that. :(

Have you compared the tires on the other "premium" JD models? The 3032e is from the "value line" of JD tractors and less expensive tires are likely part of keeping the price lower. And by lower I mean relative to more deluxe offerings from JD or others, no that the price of a 3032e is anything to sneeze at.
 
   / Chinese Tires on my JD #13  
Are there any tires companies in the US anymore?

Titan/Goodyear ag tires are still made in the US. There is a facility I have been by in Des Moines, and according to their website, they have others.
 
   / Chinese Tires on my JD #14  
Outsourcing has become a way of life in manufacturing companies I'm afraid. Having worked a lot of years there myself, it makes me a little sad. It is an easy out for managers who sometimes only look good by making others look bad, and fail to address the internal problems that make things more expensive. We can, and do often make things better, and cheaper at the same time right here in the good old USA. There was a good story about Ariens ( I am pretty sure) in a trade journal a few years ago. They are a family run business of the old school, but things weren't going so well for them. Costs were rising, and of course companies like Kubota were giving them a run for their money. So, they decided to outsource some mower parts to China. What they found was that there was a 40% scrap / rejection rate, and they sure couldn't send parts back for rework, and still save any money. They were doing a lot of rework in house. Then they hired a couple of young engineers that had a plan. They rearranged machinery, found the source of the problems, and brought the production back in house. By going to China they had saved something like $100,000 a year on the parts but lost much of it in rejected parts, and rework costs. After the re do by the engineers they actually saved almost $100,000 a year over the cost of outsourcing, and the quality was very good. If I remember right rework was in the low single digits. It was a great story, and proved what I had thouht all along. The crusty, supreme exhaulted dictator :) I say that with much respect, who started, and ran the company I worked for said once that all the labor in one of the products that we manufactured was only 8% of the cost of producing that item. If labor costs were doubled it wouldn't have had that much impact on our profits.

So yes, outsourcing is here..... in a world of blame based failure justification. It just puts the folks to blame further away, and even makes that part easier.
 
   / Chinese Tires on my JD #15  
so what brand are they?

most our machines have carlisle tires for the mowers

same on the little tractors too

our 09 deere 4720 has TITAN brand tires... im pretty sure its got a made in usa logo on them for the R4s... but i agree..

you buy a gm or chevy, you want michelin, goodyear, bridgestone tires

you buy a kia or haundai and you get kumho or fawken or sumitomos brand new blah.
 
   / Chinese Tires on my JD #16  
So yes, outsourcing is here..... in a world of blame based failure justification. It just puts the folks to blame further away, and even makes that part easier.
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Speaking of out sourcing, we were at one of our industrial trade shows this year when we approached by two gentalmen form India seeking subpar steel. They would need it by the container load. We stated we only deal in steel that is certified to the mill and a ASTM standard. They stated that what they could use subpar because what they needed it for would not require such high standards. They wouldn't mention what they needed it for though. Maybe it was for garden tools? Maybe they can't get cheap steel form China? but that personal conversation reinforced to me that India and China have know intention of playing by the rules. The end customer wasn't on these gents minds, making a cheap priced product was. :mad:
It is also scary if they were successful at finding a source and what they manufactured from it.:(
 
   / Chinese Tires on my JD
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#17  
As a follow-up to this my original post I've got to gripe just a little more....

The rear hydraulic kit I ordered from Deere for my 3032 is marked "Made in USA" on the outside of the box and contains a valve assembly made in Turkey, quick connects made in Italy, and various other parts without any markings as to country of origin. I hope the quality of the HEMA valve assembly (from Turkey) is better than it appears cause it looks bad!

As my son pointed out maybe it was the cardboard box that was "Made in USA".
 
   / Chinese Tires on my JD
  • Thread Starter
#18  
so what brand are they?

most our machines have carlisle tires for the mowers

same on the little tractors too

our 09 deere 4720 has TITAN brand tires... im pretty sure its got a made in usa logo on them for the R4s... but i agree..

you buy a gm or chevy, you want michelin, goodyear, bridgestone tires

you buy a kia or haundai and you get kumho or fawken or sumitomos brand new blah.

I just bought tires and found that of the 3 companies you listed above only Goodyears are likely to be made in the USA. Michelin is French and Bridgestone is Japanese. None of the Bridgestone or Michelin tires I found were made it the US.
 
   / Chinese Tires on my JD #19  
I just bought tires and found that of the 3 companies you listed above only Goodyears are likely to be made in the USA. Michelin is French and Bridgestone is Japanese. None of the Bridgestone or Michelin tires I found were made it the US.



I recently replaced all four tires on my equipment trailer. I wanted American Made tires because I carry my 3038e and expensive attachments on that trailer and I've heard horror stories about Chinese trailer tire failures.

When I told the tire guy I've been dealing with for years that I didn't want Chinese tires and that I wanted Goodyear tires..... he looked around sheepishly, making sure no one else heard him, then told me that ALL trailer tires are now made in China...... even the Goodyears. Then he told me to NEVER run the Chinese tires for more than five years before replacing them no matter how many miles they had on them.

Now I get a queesy feeling every time I load my tractor and attachments and head out. Recently I saw an overturned equipment trailer with what was once a nice Kubota tractor still lashed to it. I don't know if the tires blew out and caused the accident but it certainly didn't help my state of mind.
 
   / Chinese Tires on my JD
  • Thread Starter
#20  
As a follow-up to this my original post I've got to gripe just a little more....

The rear hydraulic kit I ordered from Deere for my 3032 is marked "Made in USA" on the outside of the box and contains a valve assembly made in Turkey, quick connects made in Italy, and various other parts without any markings as to country of origin. I hope the quality of the HEMA valve assembly (from Turkey) is better than it appears cause it looks bad!

As my son pointed out maybe it was the cardboard box that was "Made in USA".

As a follow-up to this follow-up...

When assembling the Hema control valve assembly I found one of the mounting holes unusable. It was overdrilled or cast wrong and the bolt that was supposed to go there has nothing to grab on to. There are no threads.

I also found that most of the included fittings were made in China.

Guess I'll be taking everything back apart and calling the dealer to order a replacement valve assembly.
 

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