Choice: food or solar fields

[PuffyC]

Bottom line is anyone on either side wanting to lessen the environmental impact on Earth the best thing is not to have children!
People are what's causing problems...right?

That's what a lot of people seem to be doing. The rate of growth for the global population has been falling since the late 60s and is expected to hit 0 in another 40 years. The bad news is it'll still grow another 40% before we get there. Japan's population has been declining for about a decade and China is expect to see their population peak in about 5 years. Without immigration, the US would see it's peak population by the end of the decade as well.

 

[Oaktree]

Bottom line is anyone on either side wanting to lessen the environmental impact on Earth the best thing is not to have children!
People are what's causing problems...right?

I did my part. No kids, no regrets.

Would a “environmentalist“ want to see huge numbers of birds killed? The planet heated? Animal life or migration impacted?
Geez I remember back in the 70’s when ”environmentalists” didnt want Alaska pipeline built because it impacted Caribou migration, but it’s ok to kill 100’s of thousands of birds now? Hmmmm that’s strange. Where’s the “environmentalism” in that?

I'm not buying the "100’s of thousands of birds" killed by windmills. You can find just as many links to stories saying this is way overblown as you can who say it's a problem.
Funny how some of the same people who have no problem spraying herbicides everywhere suddenly become environmentalists when it comes to something they disapprove of.

Never had it but not adverse to sampling it. My issue with eating it is probably mostly because my wife raised draft horses and I'd think about 'Old Betsey' cutting into a piece.

People in other parts of the world eat dog too, probably wouldn't go over well here for similar reasons.

 

[cqaigy2]

They should probably take up eating cat, if we're worried about the bird problem. So why is it we are only worried about what animal/plant gets wiped out, when we discuss solar or wind energy? I don't hear anything about how many birds got killed when making my tractor, or transporting it.

 

[Mtsoxfan]

Like others have stated, there is no perfect solution.
As a former solar owner, I knew it was dirty. But so are other forms of energy. I chose solar because it saved me lots of money, even made me money. I had no company holding prices over my head. No fairy tale there...

 

[Hay Dude]

I did my part. No kids, no regrets.

I'm not buying the "100’s of thousands of birds" killed by windmills. You can find just as many links to stories saying this is way overblown as you can who say it's a problem.
Funny how some of the same people who have no problem spraying herbicides everywhere suddenly become environmentalists when it comes to something they disapprove of.

People in other parts of the world eat dog too, probably wouldn't go over well here for similar reasons.

I dont spray herbicides

 

[orezok]

I dont spray herbicides

But you do use thousands of gallons of polluting diesel. six of one, half a dozen of another.

 

[lman]

But you do use thousands of gallons of polluting diesel. six of one, half a dozen of another.

Since you're in a desert, I doubt if you farm much. Therefore I don't think you need herbicide or diesel fuel.

 

[Fuddy1952]

That's the woke plan...hate nasty petroleum eliminated by raising prices, make people embrace electric. Forget all the progress we've made lowering carbon emissions, forget plastics and other coal/petroleum uses, pollution from lots of the electricity production and all the manufacturing/disposal processes.
Buy into the dream and believe it...

 

[deserteagle71]

@PuffyC

The real problem is, that by now there are 4-5 billion too many people on this earth, especially after the over-exploitation of especially the last hundred years. In the history of two centuries mankind has used the resources that have been built up over few million years and those are finite and not timely replenished in quantity.

^ The unvarnished truth. Let's face it, each of us is a consumer of natural resources. This 'ol planet can provide only so much in the way of those resources and the exploding human population (over the last 200 years) is overwhelming earth's ability to supply those resources. This graph of population growth is a stark picture of what's happening.

 

[MossRoad]

That's the woke plan...hate nasty petroleum eliminated by raising prices, make people embrace electric. Forget all the progress we've made lowering carbon emissions, forget plastics and other coal/petroleum uses, pollution from lots of the electricity production and all the manufacturing/disposal processes.
Buy into the dream and believe it...

Do you think the oil companies are raising their prices so that people will embrace electric?

Oil companies are the ones responsible for oil prices. Their stocks are booming. And they're going to keep raising prices as long as the demand is there and there's blood still left in the turnip.

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[Fuddy1952]

Do you believe our President when he blames Russia for high fuel prices?
The national average for a gallon of gasoline was $2.38/gallon when Trump left office.
Today it's $4.60/gallon. What is your reasoning why that is so?
I can only speak for myself and imagine if I were the CEO of a big oil company...the handwriting is on the wall. EVs are here and more are coming. Make hay while the sun shines.
I don't believe the high fuel price is because Russia invaded Ukraine...do you?
I don't believe the oil companies are raising prices because they can...do you?
I don't believe if Trump was serving a second term gas would be $4.60/gal. This has nothing to do with politics or whether I like/dislike him...just what I personally believe.

 

[Hay Dude]

But you do use thousands of gallons of polluting diesel. six of one, half a dozen of another.

Yeah, so?
Want to show me the alternative?
You want the country to eat, orexzok?
You need to use diesel fuel to grow, harvester, ship, store food.

Aint no windmill power or solar panels going to do that.

 

[Jstpssng]

Do you believe our President when he blames Russia for high fuel prices?
The national average for a gallon of gasoline was $2.38/gallon when Trump left office.
Today it's $4.60/gallon. What is your reasoning why that is so?
I can only speak for myself and imagine if I were the CEO of a big oil company...the handwriting is on the wall. EVs are here and more are coming. Make hay while the sun shines.
I don't believe the high fuel price is because Russia invaded Ukraine...do you?
I don't believe the oil companies are raising prices because they can...do you?
I don't believe if Trump was serving a second term gas would be $4.60/gal. This has nothing to do with politics or whether I like/dislike him...just what I personally believe.

I believe there is a lot more to it than that. The viewpoints toward oil from his administration certainly didn't help; the sanctions against Russia were bound to cause repercussions. You can pump all of the oil that you want, yet it's useless without refineries, which I believe is the bottleneck in the supply chain. Basic supply and demand suggests that prices will go up, as we are trying to make up for what we won't allow Russia to sell. (I believe that current sanctions will bite us in the tail in the long run, yet that's a discussion for another thread.)
Interest rates had been low since the Obama administration, and we had a pretty good economy for over a decade. We were bound to see an adjustment at some point.

Something which I like to point out to EV fans though... in many states the price of electricity is controlled by mandate. That's the only thing keeping electric prices from going through the roof as more people buy electric vehicles.

 

[Hay Dude]

I believe there is a lot more to it than that. The viewpoints toward oil from his administration certainly didn't help; the sanctions against Russia were bound to cause repercussions. You can pump all of the oil that you want, yet it's useless without refineries, which I believe is the bottleneck in the supply chain. Basic supply and demand suggests that prices will go up, as we are trying to make up for what we won't allow Russia to sell. (I believe that current sanctions will bite us in the tail in the long run, yet that's a discussion for another thread.)
Interest rates had been low since the Obama administration, and we had a pretty good economy for over a decade. We were bound to see an adjustment at some point.

Something which I like to point out to EV fans though... in many states the price of electricity is controlled by mandate. That's the only thing keeping electric prices from going through the roof as more people buy electric vehicles.

Russia sells us very little oil.
The loss of their imports cannot possibly explain anything but a fraction of the 150% increase in gas prices.

 

[Fixastuff]

I don't believe the oil companies are raising prices because they can...do you?

Lol. That is exactly what is going on. Are they raising prices because they can't. Lol.

 

[jyoutz]

Do you believe our President when he blames Russia for high fuel prices?
The national average for a gallon of gasoline was $2.38/gallon when Trump left office.
Today it's $4.60/gallon. What is your reasoning why that is so?
I can only speak for myself and imagine if I were the CEO of a big oil company...the handwriting is on the wall. EVs are here and more are coming. Make hay while the sun shines.
I don't believe the high fuel price is because Russia invaded Ukraine...do you?
I don't believe the oil companies are raising prices because they can...do you?
I don't believe if Trump was serving a second term gas would be $4.60/gal. This has nothing to do with politics or whether I like/dislike him...just what I personally believe.

I believe that exporting oil and fuel causes fuel to be priced on the world market and oil and fuel are currently short worldwide. Nothing is the same in the world as it was 2 years ago. If we didn’t export fuel and oil, prices would reflect supply and demand in the US. World prices reflect a whole lot more than just US policies. Look at how much fuel has been taken off the market by many countries banning Russian oil. Worldwide supply is down considerably, while US supply is about the same as 2 years ago.

 

[orezok]

Yeah, so?
Want to show me the alternative?
You want the country to eat, orexzok?
You need to use diesel fuel to grow, harvester, ship, store food.

Aint no windmill power going to do that.

Nice try at a spin, but my post was in regards to is solar or farming more detrimental to the environment. Nothing to do with food production, just pollution.

 

[jyoutz]

Russia sells us very little oil.
The loss of their imports cannot possibly explain anything but a fraction of the 150% increase in gas prices.

Our oil and fuel is priced based on world market prices, not just US markets, because we export oil and fuel. The US never imported much Russian oil, but Europe and parts of Asia did. Now there’s a shortage worldwide and US prices are reflecting that.

 

[Hay Dude]

Our oil and fuel is priced based on world market prices, not just US markets, because we export oil and fuel. The US never imported much Russian oil, but Europe and parts of Asia did. Now there’s a shortage worldwide and US prices are reflecting that.

Nope

 

[jyoutz]

Nope

Flunked economics? Supply and demand matter.