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Heep think how what we seem to have is cross generation communication failure in dis world. We got other problems too, but I just stick wid communication for now.
Fact- it's dang near impossible for a man my age who understands takes 7 ladies at switchboards to connect a phone call to phone 15 miles away to a bunch of kids staring into hunks of plastic and destroying thumb joints.
Between da cjx and de brb and wtf dey all shootin back and forth just rankles me when some smartmouth wid skirt up over face to hide complains about my typin an what I say. Ain't even botherin to mention de stupid little cartoons, got to be another failure of so called school system where 20K a year spent on de little creatures by taxpayers gettin defrauded by so called teachers.
I tell kids how O/A cuts by first converting iron to fuel dey jumpin out der chairs tellin me I don't know nuttin. OK, how come I can cut wid welding tip by openin up Oxy and shuttin down Acet? Kid watch a man burnin steel and get stupid look when burner pulls out cold chisel and hammer and knocks a feather up. Kid don't know but he too proud to ask. Tell kid I can cut Stainless wid O/A torch or O/P he jumpin in my face tellin me (removed) don't know s#!t. OK, I just sit & watch.
Started at dis game wid a Purox O/A torch back in 50s, burned a lot of $$$ on gas, and got good enough I can hang some rods down and use for hangers to weld (removed) in thin air between. No real call for dat, other den learnin.
Watched young fellow posting bout needing to weld up #9 wire frames fer lampshades. Watched 7 golden armed inturdnet X Sperts tell him how he needed everything from anvil to pulsed TIG to do de job. Walked over to de shop, hunted up some wire chunks and put em together. No filler, steel filler, brass, Everdur. No problem, simple gas job done 5 ways all wid O/A torch in 15 minutes. Tookpicture and posted. Explained a little and all dem golden arms disappeared. Was I a utube4boobs guy I'da done dat, but truth is I got perfect face for radio, not TV.
Ain't de machine, ain't de hand tools, de skill between ears of de welder. God good to welder his hands can and do deliver what between his ears to de weld. Some of dat content from memory, some from knowin if I screw it up I can fix it..
Back in de ancient time when I had to fight gators to get to school and paddle awning boat upstream both ways, I had me some magnificent hard cover books of toys, like Sears + Monkeys + JC Pannay (famed french designer) and Lincoln & P&H and 10 more just full of toys I had to save up for cause book said I needed. Turned out book needed to sell and (removed) didn't need to buy. OK, did buy a 7" PowerCraft grinder from Monkey, could afford it and couldn't afford Milwaukee.
I tell you same thing today Big Ed, and Pete told me back den. More tools you own, more tools you got to carry and more heartbrake when somebody steals. You got torch & welder you can make tool you need, and wid grinder you can make it look good. Hunt up some wood and make yerself a weldin box so you can sit instead of chewin knees up. Den you be a carpenter and have a place to keep yer helmet & goggles wid hat and overalls. Dey was right. I thank dem for making me a fine cabinet maker.
Honest to God, you don't need all dem shined up tools. You be a lot better welder widout dem. Get yerself 15 feet of chalk line and a hunk of zip wheel and learn to make square wid dem. Learn how to verify framing square first thing in morning and after lunch and how to correct if out of square. Learn to verify level every time you use save a lot of cutout & grinding. Most important, learn to not set yerself on fire.
Fact- it's dang near impossible for a man my age who understands takes 7 ladies at switchboards to connect a phone call to phone 15 miles away to a bunch of kids staring into hunks of plastic and destroying thumb joints.
Between da cjx and de brb and wtf dey all shootin back and forth just rankles me when some smartmouth wid skirt up over face to hide complains about my typin an what I say. Ain't even botherin to mention de stupid little cartoons, got to be another failure of so called school system where 20K a year spent on de little creatures by taxpayers gettin defrauded by so called teachers.
I tell kids how O/A cuts by first converting iron to fuel dey jumpin out der chairs tellin me I don't know nuttin. OK, how come I can cut wid welding tip by openin up Oxy and shuttin down Acet? Kid watch a man burnin steel and get stupid look when burner pulls out cold chisel and hammer and knocks a feather up. Kid don't know but he too proud to ask. Tell kid I can cut Stainless wid O/A torch or O/P he jumpin in my face tellin me (removed) don't know s#!t. OK, I just sit & watch.
Started at dis game wid a Purox O/A torch back in 50s, burned a lot of $$$ on gas, and got good enough I can hang some rods down and use for hangers to weld (removed) in thin air between. No real call for dat, other den learnin.
Watched young fellow posting bout needing to weld up #9 wire frames fer lampshades. Watched 7 golden armed inturdnet X Sperts tell him how he needed everything from anvil to pulsed TIG to do de job. Walked over to de shop, hunted up some wire chunks and put em together. No filler, steel filler, brass, Everdur. No problem, simple gas job done 5 ways all wid O/A torch in 15 minutes. Tookpicture and posted. Explained a little and all dem golden arms disappeared. Was I a utube4boobs guy I'da done dat, but truth is I got perfect face for radio, not TV.
Ain't de machine, ain't de hand tools, de skill between ears of de welder. God good to welder his hands can and do deliver what between his ears to de weld. Some of dat content from memory, some from knowin if I screw it up I can fix it..
Back in de ancient time when I had to fight gators to get to school and paddle awning boat upstream both ways, I had me some magnificent hard cover books of toys, like Sears + Monkeys + JC Pannay (famed french designer) and Lincoln & P&H and 10 more just full of toys I had to save up for cause book said I needed. Turned out book needed to sell and (removed) didn't need to buy. OK, did buy a 7" PowerCraft grinder from Monkey, could afford it and couldn't afford Milwaukee.
I tell you same thing today Big Ed, and Pete told me back den. More tools you own, more tools you got to carry and more heartbrake when somebody steals. You got torch & welder you can make tool you need, and wid grinder you can make it look good. Hunt up some wood and make yerself a weldin box so you can sit instead of chewin knees up. Den you be a carpenter and have a place to keep yer helmet & goggles wid hat and overalls. Dey was right. I thank dem for making me a fine cabinet maker.
Honest to God, you don't need all dem shined up tools. You be a lot better welder widout dem. Get yerself 15 feet of chalk line and a hunk of zip wheel and learn to make square wid dem. Learn how to verify framing square first thing in morning and after lunch and how to correct if out of square. Learn to verify level every time you use save a lot of cutout & grinding. Most important, learn to not set yerself on fire.
I have most cutting tools available, cold cut saw, horizontal bandsaw, vertical bandsaw, plasma cutter, Grinder. If I had to start with one all over it would be the horizontal bandsaw. I am not a fan of abrasive chopsaw and actually gave mine away. You can get the harbor freight or grizzly 4 x 6“ bandsaw for a decent price. There are many ways to modify it true and accurate. It may be a little slower however I still use mine quite a bit. I absolutely love my cold cut saw which is an MK Morse however you don’t necessarily need it.
I am trying hard to keep it minimal as I'm not a business and just a weekend hack. I build with computers all day and still have a desire to get my hands dirty when I can. I'm at the stick/grinder entry point at the moment. I want to work towards learning how to get things more square and less "wobbly". I did some looking around this weekend... From time to time, people give me gift cards to letting them hunt my land, so if that happens it may drive this purchase depending on which of the below is available at which store.
Dollar-wise I just am trying to see if the next step up is a few dollars apart, which is the better bet to make me not need to spend anything else for a good long time.
Hack Saw - $15
-->Grinder/Cutoff - $40-90 (cheap consumables) ** I have this
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---->Abrasive Chop Saw - $150-$225 (cheap consumables)
------>HF Horizontal Band Saw - $250-$300 (cheap replacement blades)
-------->Cold Cut Chop Saw - 425-600+ (80-100/blade)
---------->Plasma (my focus is on straight cuts on stock so this isn't a consideration at the moment)
Dollar-wise I just am trying to see if the next step up is a few dollars apart, which is the better bet to make me not need to spend anything else for a good long time.
Hack Saw - $15
-->Grinder/Cutoff - $40-90 (cheap consumables) ** I have this
*********************************************************************************
---->Abrasive Chop Saw - $150-$225 (cheap consumables)
------>HF Horizontal Band Saw - $250-$300 (cheap replacement blades)
-------->Cold Cut Chop Saw - 425-600+ (80-100/blade)
---------->Plasma (my focus is on straight cuts on stock so this isn't a consideration at the moment)
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I generally only set to fire to myself when welding Galvanized.
And only measure my square for square if I have been using it to hammer with. Plus grind off any burrs.
Reminds me of the guy on here, seemed like a new welder, (I could be wrong) who insisted he must have (and find) a pure copper ground clamp.
And only measure my square for square if I have been using it to hammer with. Plus grind off any burrs.
Reminds me of the guy on here, seemed like a new welder, (I could be wrong) who insisted he must have (and find) a pure copper ground clamp.
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Strongly recommend you google up man called PawPaw Wilson. Great man and an honest blacksmith. Ought to find de story of PawPaw departing Earth on a few welding boards.
Sorry to hear yer square challenged. Any other things you like to tell de group about?
Wonder how dat fellow would have felt bout a copper tipped peckerhead for grounding?
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Nothing that a little pill can't take care of.
Friends of mine have welded untold millions of dollars worth of stuff, using the ugliest weld splattered J hook, clamped to the ground wire with hose clamps. Not sure what made them settle on that over a clamp. Maybe too many got run over or something.
Friends of mine have welded untold millions of dollars worth of stuff, using the ugliest weld splattered J hook, clamped to the ground wire with hose clamps. Not sure what made them settle on that over a clamp. Maybe too many got run over or something.
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Like I said; Remember PawPaw.
Zinc Metal Fume Fever : A Case Study : Blacksmithing How-to on anvilfire iForge
Dats de abbreviated version. Not sure if I saved de email back and forth wid him in hospital.
Choice what you do is yours, long as you wear face diaper in public.
Zinc Metal Fume Fever : A Case Study : Blacksmithing How-to on anvilfire iForge
Dats de abbreviated version. Not sure if I saved de email back and forth wid him in hospital.
Choice what you do is yours, long as you wear face diaper in public.
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Everywhere, both sides of a story. I don't know anyone that welds Galvanized on a regular basis, but certainly know guys that have done enough it it and are still standing. Heard some guys say, Plasma fumes will kill you too.
I kjnow, if things get stinky and ugly, I'm not exactly breathing the fumes in deeply. More like hold your breath, do a bit and get to fresh air. Extinguish Jacket and Repeat.
I kjnow, if things get stinky and ugly, I'm not exactly breathing the fumes in deeply. More like hold your breath, do a bit and get to fresh air. Extinguish Jacket and Repeat.
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If doing any substantial amount, I set up a shop fan to blow the smoke and fumes away.
