I feel as though these foreign buyouts of us then ruining the brands are purposeful. Id buy a new Chysler,Dodge ram Plymouth Brand if Stellantis wasn't involved. That Company is as bad as Fiat and seems to ruin everything they touch.
That Carbon Credit is nonsense and a scam we all have to suffer under.Being a Mopar lover I think they shot themselves in the foot by doing away with the Chrysler 300, Dodge Charger and Dodge Challenger. They had a strong following and a lot of loyal customers. The problem is they were spending a huge amount of money by buying credits from companies like Tesla because they weren’t getting enough fuel mileage.
Those cars needed to be changed, the basic structure of the car hadn’t changed much since 2005. The problem is they killed that line without having a replacement. They keep putting out commercials telling us what a great performer the Hornet is.They are still looking like they will make a new Charger in both gas engine and all electric. We will see.
Too many Kubotas
Veteran Member
But we're a bit past the early 1900s now.
Longtime Jeep /Dodge owner and have been looking for a newer vehicle, but, I wont buy anything new due to Stellantis horrible track record of lousy quality control and thier extreme energy of avoiding things that should be fixed under warranty.
LouNY
Super Star Member
- Joined
- Jul 4, 2015
- Messages
- 12,214
- Location
- Greenwich, NY
- Tractor
- Branson 8050, IH 574, Oliver 1550 Diesel Utility (traded in on Branson) NH 8160. Kioti CK2620SECH
But the union influence is still being felt in many areas, often to the good, but not always.
Too many Kubotas
Veteran Member
I've had very good luck with Dodge and Ram vehicles. Of course, those being built in Brampton (Canada) and in Mexico might have made a difference.
Exceptions have been a Ram 1500 and a Durango, both built in the USA. Both with either missing or misaligned body parts.
It also helps that I don't rely on warranties. If something needs to be fixed or replaced I do it myself. To me, dealerships is where you go to buy a vehicle, not to have it subjected to dealer service.
IH was already failing, McArdell did what he could to right the ship. Reason for IH being only half as profitable as Deere or Cat was that the Union negotiated in 1950 that by default, the most senior employee who would apply for a vacant position would get it, and it resulted in those 11.000 mid and upper level managers in the wrong place, which he fired.
Now he had to renegotiate this with the Union to stop this from happening again, and he lost due to inexperience with union negotiations. Off course a man as bold as McArdell wasnt the right man to negotiate with...
In the end, the company was almost bankrupt, sold its Ag division to Tenneco/Case, which didnt negotiate with the union at all, but fired ALL workers of the Rock Island plant and shipped the 88 series tooling to their own factory in Racine.
Now tell me, what good did the Union do for the workers of IH by holding on to benefits from 1950, which already put the company in a disadvantaged position ? They all lost their job in the end because they attained to a scenario that has proven unrealistic by IHs continuous lack of profitability and therefor lack of product investment. McArdell funded the development of the STS transmission in the 5x88 series which IH desperately needed to keep up with Deere.
Betting the House on the 30/50 88 Series | Octane Press
The '70s–'80s were a tumultuous time for International Harvester. Between the transitions in leadership, the 1979 labor strike (and the ensuing 5-month halt in
octanepress.com
Meanwhile IH had prototypes of the powershift ready which ended up in the Magnum. McArdell invested a lot in R&D to maintain its 2nd place behind Deere, and without that, the Magnum would still be an outdated Case with red paint, while now it was only a stop-gap to fill the time the IH Hinsdale engineering group finished the 5088 successor into what became the Magnum.
Creating the Magnum Tractor | Octane Press
The key to creating the machine that would become the Magnum was proper assembly of the parts that the company already had in place. Harvester had a good engine
octanepress.com
Without McArdell there would be no IH in Case IH, as the Maxxum was a continuation of the David Brown Selectamatic powershift.
True. But society has changed quite a bit since the 1900s. Workers have cars, so they dont have to move to the suburb close to where their job is: In this day and age, people dont rent a house from their employer (like the local milk factory here in the 50s), so they are free to vote with their feet: they can walk away from employers that dont treat them right, without the fear of becoming homeless.
With the new balance of power created by the automobile giving people options to commute to different employers, the unions dont need the same power they had in the 1900s when people just walked to work. When unions have a say in the companies hiring policy, you end up in a situation that McArdell found IH in.
Corporate greed and power kills the middle class, union greed and power kills employment, in the case of IH.
Fiat auto itself hasnt fared well for a decade or so. It was a dumb idea for them to buy Chrysler when their own house wasnt in order.
Now they merged their FCA branch with Groupe PSA, so the French former PSA CEO can sort this out. I do not envy the man...
Stellantis since its founding untill 2023, made a profit though... 2024 prospects arent shown, so as a whole, the PSA part of the merger seems to be making enough money to keep the FCA part afloat ?
STELLANTIS NV | NL00150001Q9 | Euronext exchange Live quotes
Stock STELLANTIS NV Common Stock NL00150001Q9 XPAR Euronext Paris Live Euronext quotes, realtime prices, charts and regulated news
Yeah, the EU in all its wisdom has decided to ban ICE from 2030 onwards. Then postponed to 2035.
70% of German dealers do not take an EV as trade in... tradespeople who hang them on the fast charger along the highway, use their battery too hard and since for most used EVs the replacement battery is more expensive than the cars market value, it makes dealers not want to burn their fingers on them so they ask customers to sell it private...
Manufacturers are allocating millions into ICE development because its clear that also 2035 is unattainable because people just dont buy them without the subsidies...
Last edited:
LouNY
Super Star Member
- Joined
- Jul 4, 2015
- Messages
- 12,214
- Location
- Greenwich, NY
- Tractor
- Branson 8050, IH 574, Oliver 1550 Diesel Utility (traded in on Branson) NH 8160. Kioti CK2620SECH
Nice links,IH was already failing, McArdell did what he could to right the ship. Reason for IH being only half as profitable as Deere or Cat was that the Union negotiated in 1950 that by default, the most senior employee who would apply for a vacant position would get it, and it resulted in those 11.000 mid and upper level managers in the wrong place, which he fired.
Now he had to renegotiate this with the Union to stop this from happening again, and he lost due to inexperience with union negotiations. Off course a man as bold as McArdell wasnt the right man to negotiate with...
In the end, the company was almost bankrupt, sold its Ag division to Tenneco/Case, which didnt negotiate with the union at all, but fired ALL workers of the Rock Island plant and shipped the 88 series tooling to their own factory in Racine.
Now tell me, what good did the Union do for the workers of IH by holding on to benefits from 1950, which already put the company in a disadvantaged position ? They all lost their job in the end because they attained to a scenario that has proven unrealistic by IHs continuous lack of profitability and therefor lack of product investment. McArdell funded the development of the STS transmission in the 5x88 series which IH desperately needed to keep up with Deere.
Betting the House on the 30/50 88 Series | Octane Press
The '70s–'80s were a tumultuous time for International Harvester. Between the transitions in leadership, the 1979 labor strike (and the ensuing 5-month halt in
Meanwhile IH had prototypes of the powershift ready which ended up in the Magnum. McArdell invested a lot in R&D to maintain its 2nd place behind Deere, and without that, the Magnum would still be an outdated Case with red paint, while now it was only a stop-gap to fill the time the IH Hinsdale engineering group finished the 5088 successor into what became the Magnum.
Creating the Magnum Tractor | Octane Press
The key to creating the machine that would become the Magnum was proper assembly of the parts that the company already had in place. Harvester had a good engine
Without McArdell there would be no IH in Case IH, as the Maxxum was a continuation of the David Brown Selectamatic powershift.
True. But society has changed quite a bit since the 1900s. Workers have cars, so they dont have to move to the suburb close to where their job is: In this day and age, people dont rent a house from their employer (like the local milk factory here in the 50s), so they are free to vote with their feet: they can walk away from employers that dont treat them right, without the fear of becoming homeless.
With the new balance of power created by the automobile giving people options to commute to different employers, the unions dont need the same power they had in the 1900s when people just walked to work. When unions have a say in the companies hiring policy, you end up in a situation that McArdell found IH in.
Corporate greed and power kills the middle class, union greed and power kills employment, in the case of IH.
but nope McCardle is who killed IH.