ck 30 engine block heater

[wallace]

What is the difference if you remove a freeze plug or hack into a radiator hose?

Federal Warranty Laws
1. The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act (15 U.S.C. 2302(C))
This federal law regulates warranties for the protection of consumers. The essence of this
law concerning aftermarket parts is that a engine manufacturer may not condition a
written or implied warranty on the consumers using parts or services which are identified
by brand, trade, or corporate name (such as the vehicle makers brand) unless the parts or
service are provided free of charge. The law means that the use of an aftermarket part
alone is not cause for denying the warranty. However, the law's protection does not
extend to aftermarket parts in situations where such parts actually caused the damage
being claimed under the warranty. Further, consumers are advised to be aware of any
specific terms or conditions stated in the warranty which may result in its being voided.
The law states in relevant part:
哲o warrantor of a consumer product may condition his written or implied warranty of
such product on the consumers using, in connection with such product, any article or
service (other than article or service provided without charge under the terms of the
warranty) which is identified by brand, trade or corporate name.... (15 U.S.C. 2302(C)).

 

[grsthegreat]

What is the difference if you remove a freeze plug or hack into a radiator hose?

Federal Warranty Laws
1. The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act (15 U.S.C. 2302(C))
This federal law regulates warranties for the protection of consumers. The essence of this
law concerning aftermarket parts is that a engine manufacturer may not condition a
written or implied warranty on the consumers using parts or services which are identified
by brand, trade, or corporate name (such as the vehicle makers brand) unless the parts or
service are provided free of charge. The law means that the use of an aftermarket part
alone is not cause for denying the warranty. However, the law's protection does not
extend to aftermarket parts in situations where such parts actually caused the damage
being claimed under the warranty. Further, consumers are advised to be aware of any
specific terms or conditions stated in the warranty which may result in its being voided.
The law states in relevant part:
哲o warrantor of a consumer product may condition his written or implied warranty of
such product on the consumers using, in connection with such product, any article or
service (other than article or service provided without charge under the terms of the
warranty) which is identified by brand, trade or corporate name.... (15 U.S.C. 2302(C)).

I wont argue with you, i just wish either my dealer or Kioti told me this before i spent $150.00 on 3 glue on heaters. makes me kinda mad.

 

[pedalstomper78]

I've got a couple of comments on this. Going with the Magnussen-Moss act.....if youre installation fo the aftermarket heater caused the failure then yes, the warranty is void. If the dealer voids the warranty on your front axle because of a block heater....then they just don't want to do warranty work. Find another dealer.

Secondly, with a block heater, you're brining the engine up to normal operating temperature sooner. It's actually much easier on the engine. Why do you think diesel trucks come with them from the factory? I even have a block heater on my Subaru and the car starts great, shifts better, and purrs like a kitten even when it's just downright frigid out.

Thirdly, my dad has a Kioti CK30H. (I've got a Case/IH...and yes...with a heater.) I'd like to find the part number for the block heater. Anyone had success with finding that? Also, how bad is the installation on it? Thanks!!!!

 

[kiotiken]

Kind of hard to understand why it would void warranty on a Kioti when Bobcat offers block heater kits as an option through their parts system. Same engine and manufacture.

I'd like to find the part number for the block heater. Anyone had success with finding that? Also, how bad is the installation on it? Thanks!!!!

I have an inline heater in the lower rad hose, my dealer can't find a proper block heater to fit, but it works great, just takes a little longer. From this earlier post, I'd try calling a Bobcat dealer.

 

[IndyIan]

I contacted Kioti about my adding a internal block heater thru a freeze plug on my DK45, and they told be that it would void the warranty. Thye did tell me i could add either a magnetic unit OR a glue on type heater, but NOT a freeze block model.

They did not specify why. I asked my dealer about that, and he also told me that they dont make a freeze block heater suitable for the DK series.

I dont know how this relates to the ck series, but you may want to contact Kioti USA and ask.
They are real good about responding to emails.

My dealer installed block heater for me. He did initally express some concern of knocking out a frost plug (potential for leakage, etc.)but I left it up to him to decide between an inline coolant heater or the block heater and it showed up with the block heater. I haven't used it yet or even looked to see where it actually is, but I guess I'll check it for leakage next time out.

 

[pedalstomper78]

Hmmmm. I've emailed both and haven't found a part number from Kioti or Bobcat. Seems a bit odd. None the less, does anyone know what size the lower radiator hose is? Maybe we just go this way on his. I'm finding some 600w heaters that way and I know that most of the block ones are just 400w.

Thanks!

 

[SSdoxie]

Hmmmm. I've emailed both and haven't found a part number from Kioti or Bobcat. Seems a bit odd. None the less, does anyone know what size the lower radiator hose is? Maybe we just go this way on his. I'm finding some 600w heaters that way and I know that most of the block ones are just 400w.

Thanks!

Waht tractor do you have? Bobcat has block heater kits. Give me your tractor model and I will give the part number. I think the reason Kitoi is reluctant to go with the block heater is 2 reasons:
1. To obtain clearance for the heater coil in the block, not restict water flow and keep the coil from contacting inner surface of cylinder wall, the heater should be mounted to an adapter to hold the heat coil out somewhat.
2. On some model engines this (#1 adapter) interferes with the dipstick. Bobcat has the kit for the adapter and different offset dipstick tube for the models that need it.

 

[pedalstomper78]

It's a 2010 CK30 with the hydro trans. Any help you can give would be wonderful!!!!!

Thanks!!!!

 

[VictorW]

You may want to call Rick Wallace, Wallace tractors who posted earlier on this thread with his link. He now carries Bobcat but used to be Kioti dealer. He and his staff would definately know what will fit best and probably could UPS the heater. He's on the Eastern side of Pennsylvania.

 

[wallace]

It's a 2010 CK30 with the hydro trans. Any help you can give would be wonderful!!!!!

Thanks!!!!

Bobcat has both a lower radiator and engine block heater available.
Your looking at about $40 for the radiator and about $70 for the block.
I have a aftermarket block heater that I have installed for over 8 years without any issues. We sell them for $45.95
My preference has always been the block heater.