ck2510 after 11 hrs

[Kioti guy]

I have a ck 20s, my tractor came from the dealer with a oil pan heater installed. I assumed it was a factory install but perhaps it was a dealer installed item. On the Ck 20 it looks like it would be hard to install a traditional block heater as most of the glow plugs are obstructed( exhaust, motor mounts etc).
Installing a lower hose heater would probably work but it would require you to drain the antifreeze.
My pan heater does a great job heating the tractor up in fairly cold conditions and looks like a pretty easy install . It is just epoxied to the bottom of the oil pan with what looks like a standard two part epoxy. ... KG

 

[Kioti guy]

Sorry wrong picture....

 

[ritcheyvs]

The conventional wisdom in the old Mercedes Diesel car community (mine is 1982) is that a block heater that heats the coolant is the best option, if available. Such heaters are quite small, typically run 500-1000 watts, and install in either a threaded hole or replace a freeze plug. Some time ago, a member here discussed such a block heater that his dealer installed in his tractor. Perhaps someone on TBN can offer model or part numbers. I think some far-north dealers routinely install heaters.

It seems to me that a lower hose heater would provide less heat and lose a lot of heat through the hoses. Heating the oil is good until the warm oil hits the cold block and thickens up. The block heater, which actually heats the coolant, does a decent job warming all important parts of the engine. A heater with a decent power level only needs to run a 2-4 hours hours to do the job. Having said that, a good synthetic oil with a low pour point temperature is probably enough except in very low temperatures. For cold starting, the pour point is more important that the labeled viscosity. I see little difference between Mobile 1 5W40 and 15W40; but then I live in the south.

 

[oldpilgrim]

Since the battery can lose up to 50% of it's power in very cold temps, I always figured that keeping it warm by putting a trickle charger on it would provide a very needed boost to a cold engine, probably negating the need for heaters.

That's what I'm trying this winter. I'll mount a little charger under the hood permanently connected to the battery and a small length of power cord with plug hanging out to plug in my ext cord.

I suspect it will work fine.

 

[holeycow]

It's not just about getting the thing started. There are lots of ways to get a cold engine started (most of them include warming the thing up)... It's about protecting your engine and other systems from premature failure due to cold weather operating.

The best system I have is in a Deutz tractor (air cooled) which has 2 "irons" in the block to heat the oil (and also the steel) all night before operating, a battery blanket (that I never use) and another "iron" in the air intake shroud (gets plugged in for 1/2 hour to an hour prior to starting). This system literally heats all the drivetrain from one end to the other and top to bottom while sitting in still air in a cold shop. It works a lot better than a simple "iron" in the coolant. It is much less effective in a breeze, as are any heating systems.

I don't know why some of yous guys resist putting in a block heater. I guess when you don't know any better, then it's just fine.

No more advice from the northern prairies on this one......

 

[tiogajoe]

I appreciate all the replies. I decided to go with a lower hose heater. It looks like there is lots of room to install one on the ck2510. I got a kats with the copper element inside the unit. Im going to put off changing the oil to synthetic for a few more hours. I dont think kioti has an oem block heater. I dont know how installing something aftermarket might effect the warranty esp. if its not installed by the dealer?

 

[Coyote machine]

Block heater in freeze plug, block heater in freeze plug.

 

[oldpilgrim]

It's not just about getting the thing started. There are lots of ways to get a cold engine started (most of them include warming the thing up)... It's about protecting your engine and other systems from premature failure due to cold weather operating.

The best system I have is in a Deutz tractor (air cooled) which has 2 "irons" in the block to heat the oil (and also the steel) all night before operating, a battery blanket (that I never use) and another "iron" in the air intake shroud (gets plugged in for 1/2 hour to an hour prior to starting). This system literally heats all the drivetrain from one end to the other and top to bottom while sitting in still air in a cold shop. It works a lot better than a simple "iron" in the coolant. It is much less effective in a breeze, as are any heating systems.

I don't know why some of yous guys resist putting in a block heater. I guess when you don't know any better, then it's just fine.

No more advice from the northern prairies on this one......

Do you heat the water, oil, block of your car or truck? it runs at a lot higher rpms than your tractor.

Heating a diesel is all about startability due to it's high compression ratio and difficulty in turning over, especially when it's cold. Heating the oil makes starting healthier for the vehicle but that's not the primary reason to do it.

 

[dragoneggs]

I personally would not go with a much thinner oil during breaking in especially if this could violate warranty. I would definitely at least check that out with your dealer before you switch. Even if that has nothing to do with a freak engine problem I would sure hate to see that bit you in the 'youknowwhat'. A block heater and a trickle charger seems much better of a solution to me.

 

[holeycow]

Do you heat the water, oil, block of your car or truck? it runs at a lot higher rpms than your tractor.

Yes. Almost all Canadian vehicles have a block heater. Many even have 2.

And what does rpm have to do with it?