CK4010 RPMs dropping

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I said "Randy" was chomping at the bit to get it back in but I'm sure you read that correctly in that "Paul" was chomping at the bit...

Yeah, it is definitely not the tractor my dad would borrow from our neighbor back in the 70s/80s...
 
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cphilip! Just a quick update. Paul called me yesterday as the Kioti rep was in town so they focused some time on my 4010. They are confident the engine is at 100%. They did as test on the fuel I had in it and said it was crap. They hooked it up as is and ran it with a full load and you could hear it "spitting and sputtering". They completely drained the fuel tank, the lines, replaced fuel filter and whatever else they needed to bleed. Put 1/2 a tank of new fuel in it and it sounded perfect. Kioti rep is covering everything, even though as Paul put it, they could have put it on me due to the fuel (same fuel I've always bought so not sure what happened). They are covering the cost of the fuel, Paul's labor, new filter, etc. Couldn't be happier with the service and Kioti's response.

Side note - I had toothbar on my previous tractor but haven't bought one for this one. I ordered the one I had. Saw at Randy's a stack of them so curious if you one and if so did you get it from him? I'll eventually make it by and ask him about them but just thought I'd ask. Thanks for reading and replying! We'll have to grab a coffee or beverage of choice one day!
 
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cphilip! Just a quick update. Paul called me yesterday as the Kioti rep was in town so they focused some time on my 4010. They are confident the engine is at 100%. They did as test on the fuel I had in it and said it was crap. They hooked it up as is and ran it with a full load and you could hear it "spitting and sputtering". They completely drained the fuel tank, the lines, replaced fuel filter and whatever else they needed to bleed. Put 1/2 a tank of new fuel in it and it sounded perfect. Kioti rep is covering everything, even though as Paul put it, they could have put it on me due to the fuel (same fuel I've always bought so not sure what happened). They are covering the cost of the fuel, Paul's labor, new filter, etc. Couldn't be happier with the service and Kioti's response.

Side note - I had toothbar on my previous tractor but haven't bought one for this one. I ordered the one I had. Saw at Randy's a stack of them so curious if you one and if so did you get it from him? I'll eventually make it by and ask him about them but just thought I'd ask. Thanks for reading and replying! We'll have to grab a coffee or beverage of choice one day!

Super to hear Michael! I hope its that simple and that simple any time! Just kid them with the statement that it probably went bad with all the time its been setting in their shop and see how they react! LOL...

No I do not have a tooth bar. Been debating one. Its just about to climb up to a reasonable spot on my list. Im going to wait until the grapple arrives and see if that serves many of the purposes I would use a bucket with teeth for. I doubt it will completely but it might. Id love to know what he wants for those. I would need one for the stock 60" bucket.

But right now my short list is 1) telescoping lift arms 2) Dual rear remotes 3) a bucket edge protector or teeth. Im not married to that order except that the telescoping lift arms have to be next. Those are a necessity after having converted my implement sway system to sway bar and pins from those horrible turnbuckles.

Then maybe a tooth bar. Im about 4 weeks out from receiving my grapple.

We do need to meet up. Ill see if your around next time I have to head over that way.
 
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Super to hear Michael! I hope its that simple and that simple any time! Just kid them with the statement that it probably went bad with all the time its been setting in their shop and see how they react! LOL...

No I do not have a tooth bar. Been debating one. Its just about to climb up to a reasonable spot on my list. Im going to wait until the grapple arrives and see if that serves many of the purposes I would use a bucket with teeth for. I doubt it will completely but it might. Id love to know what he wants for those. I would need one for the stock 60" bucket.

But right now my short list is 1) telescoping lift arms 2) Dual rear remotes 3) a bucket edge protector or teeth. Im not married to that order except that the telescoping lift arms have to be next. Those are a necessity after having converted my implement sway system to sway bar and pins from those horrible turnbuckles.

Then maybe a tooth bar. Im about 4 weeks out from receiving my grapple.

We do need to meet up. Ill see if your around next time I have to head over that way.

I'll mention the sit time at the shop! LOL

I might head over there tomorrow to ask about one to fit mine. I'll ask about yours as well.

I had them swap out the lift arms on mine when I bought it. Think it was about $400 bucks. Have come in handy several times!

When we do meet up, I'll preference that I am truly tractor ignorant. I have to google half the stuff people talk about on here! Sad...
 
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I'll mention the sit time at the shop! LOL


When we do meet up, I'll preference that I am truly tractor ignorant. I have to google have to the stuff people talk about on here! Sad...


Well I've made about every mistake there is to make so I should be knowledgable. But then again I keep making some of them over and over! LOL!
 
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cphilip - made it over after lunch today. Randy was out, Kyle was busy. Chatted with Paul about my tractor and what not. Got him to give me a ammo box as the lid / "hinge" on the Kioti plastic box has torn already. Paul gave the rep so much crap about it the other day that the rep took some pics of it. lol

All that to say - no one around to give me a quote on the tooth bar. I might stop by next week again as I usually go to Lucky Strike for lunch 2-3 times a week.
 
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I wasn't at all impressed with that plastic box offering. I ended up finding online somewhere with this little metal tractor tool box. It actually bolted right up to existing holes in both box and on tractor. Wrong Orange... but still good enough functionally for my needs.

Let me know what you find out.
 

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Well - Back to the shop! Got it on video this time. 3rd time back in for RPMs/CEL issue. Even worse, is it "might be" picked up today, but then the mechanic is on vacation next week! UGH! "If it weren't for bad luck, I'd have no luck at all!"
 
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Well - Back to the shop! Got it on video this time. 3rd time back in for RPMs/CEL issue. Even worse, is it "might be" picked up today, but then the mechanic is on vacation next week! UGH! "If it weren't for bad luck, I'd have no luck at all!"

Are you still buying fuel from the same supplier?
You are getting off road diesel, yes?

The 'tooth bar' you refer too, is that the same or similar to a 'ratchet rake'?
 
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Different supplier. Even tossed my old container and bought a brand new one. Not only that, but it dropped RPMs with the dealer supplied fuel. I had maybe 5 minutes on it after I put 5 gallons in it and it did it again. I supplied video of it doing twice withing 30 seconds while PTO running and another video of PTO not engaged and it happening 3 times within a minute. Mechanic did take note that the CEL light comes on a second or so prior to the RPMs dropping and then it goes off a second or so before they ramp back up to where they were. Not sure if that is important, just something he said he would consider.

Toothbar pic attached. Had one on my previous tractor and I liked it. Ratchet rake looks nice too. I'll have to read up on that! Thoughts on it on the rake?

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Your rake bolts onto the bucket sides, from what I can tell about it from the pic you posted.
I'd focus all my energy on getting your tractor fixed and then continue with rakes, and other tools.

Seems to me there is an inherent issue with your tractor's function. It seems both inconsistent and to some extent random. I'd take careful notes detailing ambient temp, how long the tractor can run before it begins acting up, and exactly what it does, and what you were using it for at the time.

What is the current # of hours on the clock? Has it ever done a full regen successfully? What RPMs do you generally run it at when it's NOT messing up?
I just reread your first post. It brings me to ask what EXACTLY did your dealer do to fix your regen around the time of your leg break? What was your tractor doing then, before they 'fixed it' at the time? Did you get to verify the problem actually was resolved, or did you have to let it sit until now?
Have you had any issues with biocide and contaminated fuel with any tractor you've owned? Do you use bio-fuel, ever?

I've been told that trying to keep the RPMs low, by some OPs, causes more issues than it solves. That running them as hard as possible within reason is actually better for the newer models with the DPF system/regen, etc.

I've also heard that some models have needed recalibration of the CPU, and/or replacement, to get the affected tractors running properly. I can't say which models of Kioti, but if its acting up as badly as yours seems to be it could be fuel and another issue combined; though multiple issues concurrently is less likely than one cause/effect, in most driveability situations.

I'd want the Kioti zone rep for your dealer directly involved ASAP and as long as it takes to remedy the issue, or issue a different tractor and take yours back to the barn as exhibit A for them, (Kioti) to solve on their time. You've been patient, but this is getting ridiculous.

I'd start by buying fuel, off road diesel, from a different local supplier, using a brand new container, so you eliminate any possibility that you've contaminated what it seems like the dealer was saying is 'your bad fuel supply'. I'm a little confused by what you said you did recently with your supply of fuel, and are you saying before you added ANY fuel after the dealer drained yours that the hunting RPMs issue showed up again with ONLY their fuel in the tractor?
Sorry for the myriad of questions- but I want to get you off the treadmill and pinpoint accuracy focussed on what the actual problem is so it can be addressed and fixed for good.
You can PM me if you chose to, to answer all the questions, then come back to the forum to continue on, if you prefer.
 
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I知 looking at buying a CK4010 and am in the upstate of SC. I was wondering which dealer youæ±*e working with. Thereç—´ one in Greer I was going to take a look at next week. Thanks and hope you get some good answers on yours. I do wish tractors didn稚 have to have all this extra emissions stuff and could just be new but simple like my Yanmar 3110d from the 80s.
 
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I知 looking at buying a CK4010 and am in the upstate of SC. I was wondering which dealer youæ±*e working with. Thereç—´ one in Greer I was going to take a look at next week. Thanks and hope you get some good answers on yours. I do wish tractors didn稚 have to have all this extra emissions stuff and could just be new but simple like my Yanmar 3110d from the 80s.

I'm over in Oconee County. Dealer is in Westminster. Thanks for support! They picked it up either late Friday or early Saturday (we were gone) but I'm pretty sure the mechanic is on vacation all week.

Good luck with your visit! We love the tractor, if only we can get past this one issue.
 
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Coyote machine;5120090]Your rake bolts onto the bucket sides, from what I can tell about it from the pic you posted.
I'd focus all my energy on getting your tractor fixed and then continue with rakes, and other tools.

Rake or tooth bar is definitely far from my mind right now!

Seems to me there is an inherent issue with your tractor's function. It seems both inconsistent and to some extent random. I'd take careful notes detailing ambient temp, how long the tractor can run before it begins acting up, and exactly what it does, and what you were using it for at the time.

It is definitely inconsistent.
Ambient temp varies as with any place. When it did it in the fall, temps were in the 80s / low humidity. With my wife a month or so ago, 70s / low humidity. With me last week, high 80s / high humidity.
Runs before acting up again varies. I was on it an hour plus during one occurrence. My wife was on it about 20 minutes. Last week, I was on it 30 seconds. No rhyme or reason.
What is the current # of hours on the clock? Has it ever done a full regen successfully? What RPMs do you generally run it at when it's NOT messing up?
Current hours are about (I知 not home) 38.8 39. The first time I saw the regen light was last week. It came on and stayed on about 15-20 minutes. The odd things about it, which I discussed with my dealer Friday morning, are:
1 - Never 途ev壇 up and down as I致e been told regen will do in order to heat it up.
2 When the flushed the system a few weeks/month back, the cleaned the DPF filter out so it should not have gone into regen for many hours to yet to come.
RPMs I always run them at 2000-2200 whether sitting idle, in gear with PTO engage or not. Only time it is less than that is when I first start it up or when I shut it down (or if the wife comes out and wants to ask me something).


I just reread your first post. It brings me to ask what EXACTLY did your dealer do to fix your regen around the time of your leg break? What was your tractor doing then, before they 'fixed it' at the time? Did you get to verify the problem actually was resolved, or did you have to let it sit until now?

Similar to this, it was dropping RPMs. If memory serves me correctly, they recalibrated the CPU and forced it into a regen. This I believe was around 12-14 hours on the tractor. We were able to get it up and going a few hours before my incident the first of December.


Have you had any issues with biocide and contaminated fuel with any tractor you've owned? Do you use bio-fuel, ever?
I am not a long time tractor owner (ie, experienced). Had a L2800 for about 10 years and had zero issues with fuel. Never used bio-fuel. Always used off-road in the L2800 but have been told by my Kioti dealer to use either but they prefer and sell them with on-road diesel.

I've been told that trying to keep the RPMs low, by some OPs, causes more issues than it solves. That running them as hard as possible within reason is actually better for the newer models with the DPF system/regen, etc.

I've also heard that some models have needed recalibration of the CPU, and/or replacement, to get the affected tractors running properly. I can't say which models of Kioti, but if its acting up as badly as yours seems to be it could be fuel and another issue combined; though multiple issues concurrently is less likely than one cause/effect, in most driveability situations.

I'd want the Kioti zone rep for your dealer directly involved ASAP and as long as it takes to remedy the issue, or issue a different tractor and take yours back to the barn as exhibit A for them, (Kioti) to solve on their time. You've been patient, but this is getting ridiculous.

I totally agree. He was there (dealer) and hands on with the cleaning of the fuel system (to my knowledge) and seemed as perplexed as my mechanic was. I pointed out to my dealer on Friday that this will be the 3rd time so I will definitely be pushing for something to happen if it doesn't leave there this time fixed.

I'd start by buying fuel, off road diesel, from a different local supplier, using a brand new container, so you eliminate any possibility that you've contaminated what it seems like the dealer was saying is 'your bad fuel supply'. I'm a little confused by what you said you did recently with your supply of fuel, and are you saying before you added ANY fuel after the dealer drained yours that the hunting RPMs issue showed up again with ONLY their fuel in the tractor?

Yes the issue occurred again with only their fuel in it. I bought a new container, different fuel source, and added that only AFTER it had begun doing the RPM thing again. I was adamant on Friday that it isn稚 a fuel issue in my opinion based on that.

Sorry for the myriad of questions- but I want to get you off the treadmill and pinpoint accuracy focussed on what the actual problem is so it can be addressed and fixed for good.

No worries! I appreciate you taking the time to read and have input. I'll be sure to post updates once they begin working on it again.

You can PM me if you chose to, to answer all the questions, then come back to the forum to continue on, if you prefer.
 

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