Clearly stated:3130 underpowered! More than once

[Egon]

Tyler:

Of course were higher ups. We are Canadian ehhh!! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Egon

 

[shoppintractors]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I was kind of wondering myself what living north of the US had to do with your country's relation to seal level.
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I was wondering myself what level the seal's are at in Egon's neck of the woods? /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Don /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

 

[GeneD14]

When my friends who don't have Allis Chalmers or Kubota tractors complain about not enough HP I recommend painting the tractor orange. It has been proven to add up to 15% more power. However this one has really got me stumped since it is already orange. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

 

[MadDog]

I hesitate to post to this thread because I think that the amount of dialogue that Ramon's complaints have generated is already excessive. For me, it comes down to this:

Non-commercial CUT users are (at least if they're like me /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif ) generally more interested in the ability of their machine to do the jobs they anticipate than they are in how "high performance" or how fast they can get the work done.

For a commercial operator, my B7800 would probably be considered "to small" or "underpowered" and thus inefficient for anything but pretty small jobs. But I'm happy as a clam with it because I'm not being paid by the job, I'm not in a hurry to get on to the next job and I'm not too concerned about how fast I can get done and I certainly didn't want to spend $10-20K more for a machine that, admittedly, could do the work in bigger and faster bites.

I think that a commercial operator, or a property owner concerned with speed and "high performance" has the responsibility to make his concerns known to the dealer BEFORE buying and to test the ability of the machines he is considering to deliver the performance he demands.

Now, if Ramon told his dealer what he expected, and claims either that he was mislead, or dissuaded from testing the tractors out for himself, then I am wholly sympathetic to him. Otherwise, I don't understand how he can expect the dealer to have simply assumed some performance expectation on his part that he didn't express until afterwards.

Finally, its pretty obvious to anyone who does even cursory "homework" before buying that the lower end models in each tractor line (BX, B, L and Ms for Kubota) tend to have lower horsepower in relation to their weight while the biggest models tend to the converse. The trade-offs between wheelbase/stability/traction on the one hand, and power/torque/working capacity on the other are obvious. Choosing the right mix for the customer is up to the customer as long as he hasn't been misled and has the opportunity to make an intelligent decision. And the other side of that is that once made, the customer is responsible for, and gets to live with, the decision.

Maybe I've misread all this stuff, but so far I don't get the sense that Ramon was defrauded and I do get the sense that he got what he chose but decided, afterwards, that it wasn't what he wanted. Ramon, if I have misunderstood what happened here I certainly mean no offense.

 

[mb25acres]

So what was supposed to happen today to resolve Ramon49's
problem? did it work?
just wandering
Mike

 

[bugstruck]

Mike, I'm pretty sure it will never work now.

I jumped into the other monster thread of his last Sunday to try and assist Raymondo. His complaints were numerous but I thought a few of us might be jumping to conclusions prematurely. I followed up with him through that post and others and made an attempt to get him to post a picture that perhaps could have clarified this in some of our minds. Made his complaints real or appreciable, if you will. That of course never happened because he is so preoccuipied with a level of attention he is not used to that he has gotten a little drunk on the fame, IMO. He asks for help but is incapable of helping those who have gallantly tried to help him. The numbers speak for themselvles. Barring some incredible change or development it's time to move on.

It took awhile.... but read the profile that I requested, and he obligingly filled in. He's a retired quality control manager. Then read the posts. Oh, and I'm the Queen of England.

This is as close to a flame as I can ever pull myself. Not in my nature. I genuinely thank all who have so unselfishly attempted to solve the unsolvable. Admittedly, many of us did glean some rather good information from this post. It has been as entertaining as crazy. As Jim posted, he couldn't stay away, it's like a train wreck. I'd add it's a little like a suspensful novel. Hard to put it down. We do at least have that much to be thankful for.

Regards,

 

[_RaT_]

Whether your right or not, it had crossed my mind as well as others. I received PM's suggesting he could even be a plant from another brand. In the end, it does not matter. It certainly gave food for thought at the very least. If anything, his reluctance to clearly state why selling his underpowered misery was not a real possiblity was annoying, especially knowing a majority of owners here stated they rather enjoyed their L3130, thus the potential to find a buyer is certainly there. I know it must be frustrating to have something you think is lousy only to hear others say how much they enjoy it, but those are the facts.

 

[Theowegian]

Hello RaT.

I was wondering along those same lines. I tried to piont out some inconsistencies; however, Im still wondering what can be done in this case.

There is some evidence that Ramon49 was interested in using us TBNers as leverage, ie. to get us to admit that there were a lot of problems with the L3130, including an UNDERPOWER issue so that he could confront the kubota dealer, for whatever reason.

But, I would dismiss that possibility because personally, I want to try and give each of us the benefit of the doubt, especially when we are disappointed with a machine...but, in cases like this, I have to wonder.

obtw, nope. Im not a laywer....hehehe. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Im an former aircraft mechanic that went back to college and got his engineering degree(s). oofda! Is that worse or better???? /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Im off to the shed to POWER UP my tractor. See ya dudes! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gifdwight

 

[Grassgod]

i started to think this was a hoax also. His goal was to slam Kubota period! He didnt want a solution because he realy didnt have a problem. But he has probably accompished his goal because hundreds have viewed this thread & have now made judgements on it. He probably works for anouther distributor. I know that Kioti corp aka Dadong has been not soo happy because the new grand L3130 has been dominating sales all over the country. The bottom line is the L3130 is all that it should be!
Check out the reach on the L3130. I have piled snow over 15' high with no sweat! See attached Pic

 

[shoppintractors]

<font color="blue"> He probably works for anouther distributor. I know that Kioti corp aka Dadong has been not soo happy because the new grand L3130 has been dominating sales all over the country. </font>

Now that's a bit farfetched & unfair to drag Kioti into this thread with vague innuendo.

Don