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tigers2007
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Sounds good guys. Looks like I'll be on the phone for a while Monday morning 
Clutch Removed. All mushy?!?!?!... (photos)
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If you call us for your parts talk to Jerry my shop manager 979-865-4002 he will be able to help you,yes your Agracat tractor is the same as the 254/284 tractor
They made 4-different bearing seats,we keep all of them so we just need to confirm the correct gaskets and oil seal for the one you have.
I would also replace the fylwheel bolts,gaskets and rear main seal.The pilot bearing should come out pretty easy
**Do I replace the oil seal and bearing behind this bracket too??? Yes ,the tractor is split you are right there at it,$ 10.00 worth of parts vs split the tractor again if the leak continues ?
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They made 4-different bearing seats,we keep all of them so we just need to confirm the correct gaskets and oil seal for the one you have.
I would also replace the fylwheel bolts,gaskets and rear main seal.The pilot bearing should come out pretty easy
**Do I replace the oil seal and bearing behind this bracket too??? Yes ,the tractor is split you are right there at it,$ 10.00 worth of parts vs split the tractor again if the leak continues ?
Tommy
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www.affordabletractorsaleso.com
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tigers2007
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Well i received the parts from Affordable today. I had a **** of a time removing the sleeve that the transmission output shaft comes out of. I finally got it out and not only found a nice emulsion solution pouring out but the ENTIRE shaft assembly came out--- is that supposed to happen? I'm scratching my head right now trying to find out how to get that bearing and shaft loose from that sleeve.
One more thing, when I install the bearing there, I do NOT have to grease it --correct? Is it lubed via the hydraulic oil in the creeper? Do I have to grease up the pilot and throwout bearings?
One more thing, when I install the bearing there, I do NOT have to grease it --correct? Is it lubed via the hydraulic oil in the creeper? Do I have to grease up the pilot and throwout bearings?
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Man, that fluid is junk. You need to flush the system entirely. Everything.
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Yeah its a nasty mess. The previous owner was not very mechanically trained at all. I suppose I should be lucky that it even runs .
I realized that the shaft only comes out like that with the bearings. I didn't realize that both of the bearings were on that assembly or I would have bought the "bearing 207" from Affordable. I called my Napa and they have one in stock. It looks like this has already been replaced in the past as it had a "New Departure 3207 Made In USA" bearing instead of the chinese 207 bearing. I pulled the C-clips and get the shaft out so I could replace the oil seal. This is a lot more effort than I expected!
I have my eye on a Farmtrac 320DTC right now. This Jinma is a GREAT learning experience as I haven't been overcome quite yet. I'm throwing around the idea of doing the headbolt re-torque but I really really don't want too lol BUT on the other hand, its already in the open...no hood in the way. I might be a fool if I don't!
When its all done, I'm still questioning even selling this thing. I only paid just over $3000 for it with the Koyker loader. If I get that Farmtrac, I can try selling the Koyker loader and just keep the Chinese tractor to run the mower as this has nice turf tires. You can't even get a decent Toro Wheelhorse or John Deere for that price!
A little history lesson: This is what it looked like when i FIRST took a peak inside of the clutch area when i bought the tractor: click here (offsite link, shows the whitish emulsion). I had to drill another hole as I couldn't even find the one that was already there! So nasty. It was obviously coming from the transmission area. I'm surprised it still leaked as the last person to work on this part sealed the sh*t out of it.
. I realized that the shaft only comes out like that with the bearings. I didn't realize that both of the bearings were on that assembly or I would have bought the "bearing 207" from Affordable. I called my Napa and they have one in stock. It looks like this has already been replaced in the past as it had a "New Departure 3207 Made In USA" bearing instead of the chinese 207 bearing. I pulled the C-clips and get the shaft out so I could replace the oil seal. This is a lot more effort than I expected!
I have my eye on a Farmtrac 320DTC right now. This Jinma is a GREAT learning experience as I haven't been overcome quite yet. I'm throwing around the idea of doing the headbolt re-torque but I really really don't want too lol BUT on the other hand, its already in the open...no hood in the way. I might be a fool if I don't!
When its all done, I'm still questioning even selling this thing. I only paid just over $3000 for it with the Koyker loader. If I get that Farmtrac, I can try selling the Koyker loader and just keep the Chinese tractor to run the mower as this has nice turf tires. You can't even get a decent Toro Wheelhorse or John Deere for that price!
A little history lesson: This is what it looked like when i FIRST took a peak inside of the clutch area when i bought the tractor: click here (offsite link, shows the whitish emulsion). I had to drill another hole as I couldn't even find the one that was already there! So nasty. It was obviously coming from the transmission area. I'm surprised it still leaked as the last person to work on this part sealed the sh*t out of it.
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Yup. You've definitely got water in that gear oil. Power washing? Tractor sitting in rain/snow/ice?
Output shaft? I think you mean input shaft. Why were you working on it in the first place? Rotten gasket perhaps? Hindsight is 20/20, but now you realize you should have drained the gear oil first. Don't know why some of the guts came out though. There's supposed to be a second circlip holding them in place (between the rear bearing and the 19T gear). Look for an unoccupied slot on the shaft. Removing that front circlip should simply have permitted you to remove the front bearing and bearing seat to get at the gasket. If it's missing, this is a good opportunity to replace it.
Bearing grease:
1. given that you've got wet gear oil, I'd wash the two bearings (from the bearing seat) in diesel fuel then repack them with fresh grease. But you should drain/flush the transmission and rear diff first. Otherwise you'll just pollute that pair of bearing all over again.
2. throwout bearing; if there's a very small hole somewhere on the circumference of the throwout bearing, that's for grease. You must use a needle nose tip on the grease gun. No hole, it's a sealed bearing.
//greg//
Output shaft? I think you mean input shaft. Why were you working on it in the first place? Rotten gasket perhaps? Hindsight is 20/20, but now you realize you should have drained the gear oil first. Don't know why some of the guts came out though. There's supposed to be a second circlip holding them in place (between the rear bearing and the 19T gear). Look for an unoccupied slot on the shaft. Removing that front circlip should simply have permitted you to remove the front bearing and bearing seat to get at the gasket. If it's missing, this is a good opportunity to replace it.
Bearing grease:
1. given that you've got wet gear oil, I'd wash the two bearings (from the bearing seat) in diesel fuel then repack them with fresh grease. But you should drain/flush the transmission and rear diff first. Otherwise you'll just pollute that pair of bearing all over again.
2. throwout bearing; if there's a very small hole somewhere on the circumference of the throwout bearing, that's for grease. You must use a needle nose tip on the grease gun. No hole, it's a sealed bearing.
//greg//
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The original owner must have kept it outdoors for several years. I keep everything in the barn.
That large bearing, bearing 207 on the input shaft, was a PITA to get off. I had to use a chisel and then a 3-way puller to get it off of the shaft. Is it suppose to be like that? Looking at everything, it looks like it should. There is a clip that holds a gear piece on the end. Bearing 207 can't come off until the clip is pulled and that gear is removed.
I bought new Pilot, Throwout, and Input shaft bearings. I'm assuming that the input shaft bearings don't have to be greased as they'll be bathed in (soon-to-be) fresh hydraulic oil. I'll grease the Pilot and then check the throwout for a grease hole.
How should I lube the oil seal for the Input shaft? Use fresh Hydraulic fluid?
That large bearing, bearing 207 on the input shaft, was a PITA to get off. I had to use a chisel and then a 3-way puller to get it off of the shaft. Is it suppose to be like that? Looking at everything, it looks like it should. There is a clip that holds a gear piece on the end. Bearing 207 can't come off until the clip is pulled and that gear is removed.
I bought new Pilot, Throwout, and Input shaft bearings. I'm assuming that the input shaft bearings don't have to be greased as they'll be bathed in (soon-to-be) fresh hydraulic oil. I'll grease the Pilot and then check the throwout for a grease hole.
How should I lube the oil seal for the Input shaft? Use fresh Hydraulic fluid?
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Wow, that looks like one serious project. I still am wondering how water got in the oil? Must have spent some time outside for some time. Glad you are getting progress made on fixing it up, you are doing a very good job. :thumbsup:
Must have spent some time outside for some time. Glad you are getting progress made on fixing it up, you are doing a very good job. :thumbsup:Bob Rooks
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Some bearings must be warmed before installing, same for removing. It also may have been installed with "bearing mount" green Locktite, in which case heat would make it a whole lot easier.
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And in this case - unless it was a defective bearing from the git go - I'm unsure why he even wanted to change it. I assumed pulling that bearing seat simply to replace a rotten gasket.
//greg//