CNG Pickup Trucks Coming Near You !

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The BTU content of CNG varies depending on the source. Typically its above 950BTU/CuFt. When the source is a landfill it could be much less. The gas we were using was consistently 980BTU. You need about 127 CuFt of CNG to equal a gallon of gasoline. CNG is about 130 Octane. Engines can be optimized to take advantage of this. Modified engines use a Miller cycle not an Otto cycle for volumetric efficiency and lower emissions.

LNG has a whole set of its own problems as a motor fuel. Its a cryogenic liquid and has to be kept cold or the storage tanks will vent to prevent over pressurization. Usually if the vehicle is constantly used this is not a problem, however, if the vehicle is out of service for more than a few days the fuel system needs to be drained. Definitely not something you want to deal with unless you are set up to handle the process. It is colorless and odorless, the odorant present in CNG, methanethiol, cannot be used.

Early CNG cylinders were steel over wrapped with fiberglass, heavy and not much fuel volume per cuft of storage area. Newer cylinders are carbon fiber much lighter but still big for the amount of fuel stored. CNG cylinder operating pressure is either 3000 or 3600 Psi. It was available in two pressure ratings when it first was available. Now the standard pressure rating is 3600psi. Because of the pressure storage tank shape is limited to a cylinder or sphere thus making it hard to fit into smaller vehicles. Like all high pressure cylinders they have a limited life span per DOT.

CNG is actually safer than gasoline as a fuel. Harder to ignite and lighter than air any leaks float up and away. It does not pool under a vehicle in the event of a wreck. Excess flow valves stop fuel flow at the cylinder valve in the event of a ruptured line such as in an accident like stopping the fuel pump in a liquid fueled vehicle. Ever try to light a propane torch with a match, not easy, you have to get the air/fuel ratio just right to ignite it. The fuel ratio needed is five to fifteen percent gas to air or it wouldn't ignite.

CNG needs little refining just needs to have the moisture content lowered and inert gasses at a low enough level to maintain a constant BTU output. If the moisture level is too high problems arise in the fuel pressure regulators, they freeze the water vapor and plug up.

I spent a lot of time working with CNG vehicles.:)
 
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Cummins CEO says Class 8 trucks will be running natural gas in five years. Pollution and cost. Infrastructure not expected to be a problem.
 
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Cummins CEO says Class 8 trucks will be running natural gas in five years. Pollution and cost. Infrastructure not expected to be a problem.

True I ran six of them, L10s, in the early nineties. They have come a long way since then. Infrastructure is not a problem for Cummins but ask the fleet owner and you will get another opinion. The cost for a CNG fuel system for the equivalent of fifty gallons of Diesel is about $65,000, not an insignificant cost. There are no five gallon cans of CNG if you run out of fuel ;).

If you want your own fueling station for your fleet start at a half million dollars or so. The time to fill a vehicle say thirty gallons or so will take fifteen minutes to a half an hour depending on the fuel station, significantly more than Diesel. Time is money. Or you can use slow fill, overnight, a lot less expensive if your vehicles are parked long enough.
 
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A few days ago, I read a news article about a company that's ordered a fleet of Peterbilt CNG trucks and I didn't even know they had started making such.

We are in the process of selling a municipality CNG garbage trucks. They are wanting to be the leader/pioneer in this. Infrastructure for fueling is being done now and trucks are on order.

I'm not sure how I feel about this being such a great idea. I've heard Nat Gas isn't quite as plentiful (easy to extract) as many make it out to be. Also, you get more people using it and the price should rise if supply can not keep up with demand. Either way, it will be an interesting process.

CNG options have been offered in commercial trucks for some time now, too, by the way.
 
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We are in the process of selling a municipality CNG garbage trucks. They are wanting to be the leader/pioneer in this. Infrastructure for fueling is being done now and trucks are on order.

I'm not sure how I feel about this being such a great idea. I've heard Nat Gas isn't quite as plentiful (easy to extract) as many make it out to be. Also, you get more people using it and the price should rise if supply can not keep up with demand. Either way, it will be an interesting process.

CNG options have been offered in commercial trucks for some time now, too, by the way.

Pioneering was done in 1989 that's when the first one was built.:) How many trucks are they going to run?
 
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I remember when propane powered trucks were popular back in the 80's, and had a big tank in the bed of the truck. I was working over a mile from a car wash one day, and heard a large explosion. Followed by the ambulances.

Apparently the car wash, the kind with the brushes caught a fitting or valve or something on the tank and ripped it out, causing a major propane leak, and as the truck went down lane of the car wash, an electrical spark probably from one of the motors ignited the whole car wash, blowing people out in the street, and one heck of a fire. Car washes from then on in Springfield, Mo. were brushless. I was in a 4 story building over a mile away and it shook the building pretty bad. A lot of other business's nearby had severe damage. Of course the car wash was totally destroyed. Yeah compressed gas in ordinary motor vehicles is a really good idea..

James K0UA
 
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Pioneering was done in 1989 that's when the first one was built.:) How many trucks are they going to run?

In the process of converting the whole fleet.
 
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In the process of converting the whole fleet.

Sounds like a great project. Collection trucks are an ideal truck to convert. Are they building their own fueling station or using a utility's station? Its taken a while but more and more municipalities are converting to CNG for their fleets. It works best in that environment.
 
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Sounds like a great project. Collection trucks are an ideal truck to convert. Are they building their own fueling station or using a utility's station? Its taken a while but more and more municipalities are converting to CNG for their fleets. It works best in that environment.

They are building their own facility on their yard. I'm not the salesman working on that as I'm strictly medium duty, but can find out some more info if necessary. They had an order for 5 CNG trucks, but changed 2 of them to diesel as the CNG fueling station won't be set up for a little while.
 
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Natural gas vehicle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sometimes you have to Wiki.

Looks like the U.S. is lagging behind Third World Countrys again when it come to finding alternatives. Pakistan, India. Brazil, Argentina, many European countys and Pacific Rim countrys have millions of LPG powered vehicles. Buses, trucks and cars.

I don't know how prevalent it is now but California farmers used many Butane powered tractors and crawler tractors.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/...gas-usat_N.htm This was in 2007.
紐eady to go. Other major automakers sell natural-gas-powered cars in Europe, Asia, South America and elsewhere, just not in the USA. General Motors CEO Rick Wagoner mentioned natural gas at a Switzerland auto show in March as one of the alternative fuels the automaker has intensified efforts to develop for foreign markets.
 

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