Collaped Sediment Bowl

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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( you are missunderstanding what "Venturi Effect" is....
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this is leading cause of "Check Engine Lights" on NEW cars, )</font>
No. I'm not. The Venturi description was intended to draw a parallel. Since you took it literally, obviously the parallel didn't achieve it's intended goal.

But if ERICWILL's tractor happened to be a "new car" instead of an old technology Jinma, then we may have some grounds upon which to agree. Since it's not - I don't.

But this tête-à-tête is getting nowhere from the perspective of helping ERICWILL to conclude whether or not his sediment bowl screen is causing the plastic sediment bowls to collapse. I believe it's time we heard from the guy with the problem.

//greg//
 
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The best advice to Eric would be drain the tank and pull the sedement bowl and check the screen I think we would all agree. Correct? sounds logical to me anyways as it a good point to start.
When I assembled my crate 224 I am a fussy sort( alright, alright a REAL fussy sort) well, I had tank off so I drained it and must say the fuel looked real nasty, washed it out in a parts washer and refilled with fresh fuel, new filter and started from scratch before ever running engine. In retrospect I feel my 'fussyness" was well worth the time as like I stated the fuel looked dark and just plain nasty. Lets get Eric going again and then we can debate Bernoulli's principle. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( No. I'm not. The Venturi description was intended to draw a parallel. )</font>

Agreed.. but it didn't apply here.

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( But if ERICWILL's tractor happened to be a "new car" instead of an old technology Jinma )</font>


Also agreed.. see first line..

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( But this tête-à-tête is getting nowhere from the perspective of helping ERICWILL to conclude whether or not his sediment bowl screen is causing the plastic sediment bowls to collapse )</font>

Agreed... and talking about venturi effect when we are all pretty sure it is a clogged screen doesn't help much...

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I believe it's time we heard from the guy with the problem. )</font>

Deffinately agreed.

Soundguy
 
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Well let me get my 2-cents in too, we have had a few tractors with the screen stopped up in the fuel tank in which they collapsed the sediment bowls,the injector pumps were collapsing them.Once the screens were cleaned out the problem went away, I think you need to clean the screen first and I think your problem will be solved.

Tommy
Affordable Tractor Sales
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( we have had a few tractors with the screen stopped up in the fuel tank in which they collapsed the sediment bowls,)</font>
Let me slip in a question here Tommy, while we're waiting for ERICWILL to return.

I've had algae in my tank ever since I took delivery. Even after nearly 50 hours, I still see it accumulating regularly in the bottom of the sediment bowl. According to the parts manual, the KAMA sediment bowl assembly doesn't use the in-tank screen like Jinma uses. That - and a glass bowl - probably account for why I haven't fallen victim to "the collapsing sediment bowl" syndrome.

Anyway - when I ask for diesel algaecide at area farm/auto parts stores, I just draw blank stares. Can you recommend a source that doesn't require too much hoop-jumping?

FWIW, I'd consider it a great service to future customers if dealers would require the Chinese to use algaecide in all diesel fuel tanks - prior to loading the containers.

//greg//
 
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Greg,we have had what is called diesel bugs in our storage tank before and our supplier put something in the tank to kill them off,I will try and find out what they used.I think it is more common to off-road diesel.When we assemble tractors we flush out the new fuel tank with gasoline or kerosine first,there is some pretty nasty stuff that comes out.To get the chinese to put something in the tanks is not going to happen,I have asked for alot of things mostly on packing tractors for shipping to avoid damage,but nothing changes.I will let you know what I find out about the diesel bug treatment,I don;t think everyone is flushing out the tanks prior to assembly crate assemblers or dealers which could be the cause for some of this.It's been good for the parts buisness.
Tommy
Affordable Tractor Sales
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I think it is more common to off-road diesel)</font>
Agreed. That, and Chinese bloody diesel.

The "on road" or taxed diesel is supposedly already treated with algaecide before it goes into the service station storage tanks. Seems to be true, as I've got a quarter million miles on my Mercedes and haven't had a fuel-related breakdown yet. 'Course, can't hurt that I change both fuel filters twice a year.

Anyway, seeing it termed "diesel bug" is a big help in itself. After eliminating the diesel Back Up Generators (BUGs) and the Volkswagen bug diesels that Google found, I've now got a few additive names to throw at the farm/auto parts store clerks now. Maybe if I'd asked for biocide instead of algaecide I've have had more success the first time around.

Thanks Tommy

//greg//
 
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We used to get a anti bud material put in jet fuel, and this stuff was poured in as the plane was being fueled. This was an option, you could get it with or without the bug killer already mixed so I am sure the material can be bought.
 
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Greg.. try 'clearflame' diesel fuel contitioner.

Should be the standard anti-gel.. etc, with a biocide. Car quest has it.

Another thing to think about is cleanup after introduction of a biocide. Power service/ 911 mentions that is is a good product for sludge removal after treatment.

Bio-con from napa also makes that claim.

HTH

Soundguy
 
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All,

A couple of disclaimers: I'm new to this forum and to the tractor world. On top of that, I'm certainly no expert on anything. Just had to get that out of the way right up front. However, I've been reading this thread and thought I might throw out a potentially useful (and hopefully readily available) option that might help everyone contend with the algae issue. Let me also insert here that I do not work for the manufacturer or supplier of the product I'm about to mention. I just thought the information I read about it, even if only partially true, would make it a very good option. Look to your local marina or boat retailer. There are plenty of diesels in the marine sector and they have to deal with these same issues, not to mention the extra EPA scrutiny. I've seen plenty of products marketed for this purpose (I've been been a boat owner and/or around boats my entire life), but came across one the other day that the manufacturer's claims caught my attention. It's called "Startron Diesel Fuel Additive" marketed by / available from Star Brite, 4041 SW 47 Ave, Ft Lauderdale, FL 33314 (800-327-8583 FAX: (954) 587-2813 www.starbrite.com). Star Brite is a fairly big name in the marine industry for cleaners, waxes and many other boat-related items, and their products are carried by just about all marine retailers. I've even seen their products in Wal-Mart. What caught my attention about this product (reiterating the manf claims): (1) It is/uses a naturally occuring enzyme (that alone must thrill the EPA). It supposedly also (2) modifies how the deisel fuel burns (provides for more complete and uniform combustion); (3) prevents new and disperses existing harmful microbial growth; (4) cleans the fuel delivery system and combustion chambers; (5) stabilizes fuel chemistry; and (6) reduces engine emissions. Wow, if it does all of that for marine diesels, it surely must be good for a tractor. What also caught my attention was the following manf claim, which directly relates to this thread: QUOTE: "Known as "diesel algae," these are primarily fungi, yeast and mold contaminates. If left untreated, diesel algae will ruin the fuel causing clogs in filters, fuel lines and injectors. Common treatment for this problem up until now has been the use of a biocide to kill existing growth and prevent future infestation. The use of a biocide can however cause other problems. Once the growth is killed, it settles to the tank bottom where it decays forming organic acids. The acids then deteriorate the fuel and cause corrosion of the tank walls, injectors and fuel delivery system. Additionally, biocides can be harmful to all those who handle them or come in contact with treated fuel plus, they can cause environmental damage if spilled. Startron uses its nontoxic enzyme technology to breakdown microbial growth into sub-micron size particles. These microscopic particles are then either safely burned away or filtered out." END QUOTE. Starbrite also makes the claim that STARTRON is the only treatment that prevents biological growth and eliminates existing growth without the use of toxic chemicals.

Okay, I know I sound like the head Starbite marketing person, but I swear I'm not! Like I said, reading this thread caused me to immediately think about this product that I read about only a few days ago in one of the boating magazines I receive. It is apparently available in 8, 16, and 32 fluid oz bottles and gallon jugs. I don't have a clue how much it costs, but Star Brite says that a single ounce treats 32 gallons of diesel, so a small bottle should last a long while, considering that most of these tractors hold less than 10 gallons.

Just another option I thought I should share.

Jim
 

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