Colonial House

[Egon]

Looking into history you'll probably find the southern portions were colonized at or before the northern climes. Just a different culture.

In some cases the fishery on The Banks was a draw.

Egon

 

[polecat]

Love those kind of shows also guys /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Isn't it funny how these people..well most of the women have made a commitment to this thing and the "NEW" ideals we have in the world today are almost like a cancer for a show like this to really work...It really takes so much hard work to survive up here in the northeast without todays modern conveniences!!! I'm not a history "BUFF" but the trading co's set up these trips to the "new world" for a profit...The first english settlement was started not far from me where the entire group perished...Popham beach... People who came here were looking for first of all " The freedom of the repression from the english church and a new start...Hence the American dream was born!! I wonder how many people have really thought about how immense a risk these people (the pilgrims) took for their beliefs... And how lackadasical the people on this show are. As i watched the first show last night i kept sayin to myself how these guys would all b toast if this was for real...I saw the other show too.. (frontier house)and i think that these guys put in a lot more effort than the others...Gotta laugh though /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif If i was on a show like this i'd tell the director that i wanted to check out the area where we wer'e gonna b livin for about a week b4 everyone and i'd call up a couple of my tbn buddies, whip out the chain saws and cut's and waatch the dirtnwood !!!FLY /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Have always felt like i was born a couple of hundred years too late but what i'd give to have a transporter to send a few of my buds with cuts,all the tools, generator,and the fels loaded with the above, and bird u kin load yer fel with the kegs and seeds...(I'd trust you to ration it egually..and ifn anyone sits on their a@@ they dont git ANY of the libations!!!
What i'd really like to do is whip out my jonsered 2094 turbo with 4'bar and feel that baby eat into the soft flesh of a virgin pine or cedar!!! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Oh yeah..i'm from here in maine,but have lived on the outer banks n.c., in the uk,and on the tenn/alabama line and i'm not sayin that it would'nt be a whole lot easier down south but alabama can be brutally cold as can all of the other places above..BUT you do'nt have the snow we have up here ...Correct about new england being a lot closer to england and if you were sailing under wind power with the large ships these guys were in its a lot easier to jist stop up here than going farther south...the tranquility of late spring can really fool you when you throw anchor up here and i think that most of the people on bord wer'e under contract to make $$ or had indentured themselves or paid their way to get here and the captain was in a hurry to git back and git another load ..lots of things to think about...saw the previews for tonites show and feel the same way bout puttin slackers and trouble makers in stocks in a heartbeat!! You dont work you don't eat kind of mentality..And the women wantin a day off while i bust it in a hot field ain't gonna cut it either!!!!!!
Anybody watch survivor!! I think as rupert was always fishin and carryin wood that he and rudy should've both got the million !!!!!!!! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif shelter and food r 2 musts!!! Richard would've bin strapped to a log and set adrift in my book..Lazy..@@@@@@d /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I fell 20' off of my tractor guru's shop last night and landed on my heels , hands, and arse at the same time while tryin to hook up his new trifold swingin doors last night so my lower back is killin me and my hands are all swelled up; and am jist glad to be able to be here with u guys today....very lucky...could very well have easily broken my neck!! no joke!! very very lucky!! I hope i didn't do any long term damage to my back,vertebrae, or discs??? Have bin hobblin round like a cripple this morn /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
It's spring finally up here and have so much to do !!! and then this!!!aaaaarrrrrggggggghhhh!!!!
But am jist glad iv'e got a cut and not a hoe and a sthil,husky and a jonsered and not an axe and 2man saw /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Would love to be on a show like that though..preferably a cross show..uno somewhere tropical like survivor but i the winter no snow /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hey why dont we git muhammed to sponsor a tbn survivor /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif U know a goodol boy show but without all the backstabbin and animosity..maybe we can even git a cut as a reward !!! and a couple of zippo's and a csaw too!!!!!!!!!! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Talk to ya'll soon /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
TODD

 

[DaveNay]

I have to opine on this. I haven't seen the current show at all, simply because I think the shows are lame. The premise is good, but the scales are waaaayyyyy balanced against the participants, and by that I mean even beyond what the original settlers would have experienced. As an example, I watched the first 1/2 dozen episodes of the first show (with the two couples), and the people didn't even have the skills that a 10 year old of the era would have had. These people did not know how to do basic cooking, handling of animals and finding sources of water. For goodness sake, they set their pig on fire! /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif I believe that there is minimal educational value to these show, because they do not acurately represent the challenges that the settlers face, but only the challenges that modern people would face if they were **POOF** suddenly to be plunked down in the same situation.

That's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Dave

 

[DAP]

Pete ... thats very accurate. But I think a more important reason for the northern settlements has gone unsaid or unemphasized.

Technolgy. And by that I mean, travel technology. It was simply proven too many times how dangerous traveling could be. If one survived the voyage from western europe or the King's land, you were doing well. Many did not and even more never took the chance although they would have liked to.

Extending that voyage in what were very primitive times (say the next 100 years - or 1700's through to the 1800's) was even more daunting. Only the stoutest outdoorsmen, trappers, woodsmen, traders, etc. knew the overland passes and since they usually traveled alone or in small groups, could survive these treks. The life expectancy was low and infant mortality for the 17th century folks in the new world was high for a good while to come - they were also of a different physical stature - most would be surprised how small 'average build ' was in 1750. I'm only 5-9" and I have a lot of 200 yo doors I have to actually bend to grasp door knobs for ... and if you're over 6-1" you may have to stoop to keep from hitting the door moldings. Even at 5-9", I've an old rope bed that my feet hang over the edge on.

As such, in that era, (and this is what is sadly missing from the time we live in for the most part, even in what's left of rural america) People depended on other People. Thats why old farms houses were usually built so close to the road for instance. The odds of survival and prosperity was directly related to the size of the community. Moving early communities on overland jaunts, whether west, south or north a very risky proposition until the 'technology' could catch up. In this case the technology was persitent sucsess of animal domestication (oxen, mule, horse, ovine, bovine, etc.), agricultural success and the general expansion of the poplulation. This took a while. There were some effective distractions along the way too. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Others have correctly alluded to the 'familiarity" aspect and that holds weight also. Imagine an english gentlement trying to grow his natve flaura in the red clays of Georgia for instance. A learning curve that may have had disastrous consequences for the first early coastal imports.

 

[JimME]

Gee, they had their houses built for them and most everything provided. All they have to do is look at the camera and whine and complain about the surroundings and each other. I can watch survivor to see that.

From what I saw last night, I thought "Pioneer Quest" was better.

 

[polecat]

jim..i live down near augusta and never heard of pioneer quest??? where did u see that???
cripple /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif TODD

 

[livincountry]

I was disappointed in the two episodes last night. Can we get through a show without a cast member being gay? This is ridiculous! The one family doesn't go to church on Sunday so they can skinny dip in the river in front of their kid? How does this apply to 1628? I will be complaining to PBS over this crap.

 

[wroughtn_harv]

Then and now, oil and water maybe?

I listened to the show as I was on the internet. My impression was a lot like what I see in real life. Most folks cry all the time about this or that. This bunch is a little more for tears than I'd be comfortable with. Especially compared to what I suspect the attitudes were then.

Their attitude towards tools wasn't appropriate at all. But then they come from the twenty first century where you go to a box store and buy it. If it gets dull you go buy another.

As for the religion, heck they left europe to get away from religion, other folk's? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif It seems everyone wants to be free to have everyone else join them in their faith, life........ /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I have a gay son. He's a good son. He just happens to be gay. It could be worse. He could be a bum.

It doesn't surprise me that in a group that large one being gay at all.

 

[Gatorboy]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( It doesn't surprise me that in a group that large one being gay at all. )</font>

How large of a group do they have on this show? I have yet to see it.

Only about 2% of the population is gay, and I am also surprised at how many shows have someone that is gay on it -- a much higher percentage than 2%, that's for sure.

 

[r0GuE]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Here's a truly dumb question: Why did the early settlers stay in the north? Why not settle in a less hostile (longer growing season & warmer winters) environment like Georgia or South Carolina? )</font>

I have to go to work, so I don't have time to read the whole thread - But - at the risk of repeating someone elses comments: Settlers did settle the south too, but were generally more successfull in the North because disese got the most of the southern settlers. By Southern (as I recall from my history course 2 years ago - I'm still going to college at night..) I am referring to the chesapeak colonies.