I had the same problem with the <font color="orange"> Orange </font> dealer, but I deliberately didn't drive the good car or wear the Sunday best. I have found that it isn't to your advantage to always look successful when making an expensive purchase because some dealers think that because you can afford it, they don't have to give you the best price. The dealer that I did buy from gave me the best price the first time. In that instance, I did drive the Benz, but I parked it out of site. All he cared about was making a sale and making a happy customer. He did both that day and I won't even buy a quart of oil from the other dealer. You can tell the quality of a company by how they treat their prospective customers. It doesn't matter what you are buying, but first impressions do make the difference. When I purchased the Benz, the salesman gave me the same attitude. I asked for the owner and purchased it from him. He knew me from the Rotary Club and knew that jeans were a way of life for me, not a suit. He didn't care about the color of my clothes, but the color of my money! /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif Now that I am retired, I watch what I spend more closely, so I shop for more products to get the better price. I also don't deny a merchant a profit, like some people that will bargain till the merchant is barely making a profit, but just turning over merchandise. Without a profit, he won't be there for long to service what he sells...