Compact 4wd v. Larger 2wd utility tractor?

[agsanders]

Been lurking for a long time. First time posting. I have about 15 acres that I need to maintain. All wooded. I would like a tractor for general bush hog work, cutting trials, moving dirt and generally just messing around. No mowing of fields, heavy plowing, etc. The terrain is slightly rolling without any steep hills. Combination of planted pines and virgin hardwoods.

I've talked to several different people about my needs. Some recommend one of these compact 4wd packages - JD 3032 w/ FEL, box blade, bush hog for instance. Others recommend something like a JD 5045 w/ associated implements. I'm not hung up on Deere, just giving examples. We have all the major dealers within a short distance.

I have spent hours reading threads but I need some help and advice.

 

[GManBart]

Wow, those two are pretty radically different! Essentially, the 5045 has twice the capability, on paper, but probably more in the real world (assuming 4WD isn't going to make a huge difference for you, terrain wise).

I think it comes down to budget, what capabilities are most important to you, and how important time is for your tractor work. 4WD is very handy while doing FEL work, but you'll run out of lift capability pretty quickly with something like the 3032, which means smaller loads, more trips, etc. something like the 5045 can get a lot more done, but will the extra capability be wasted on most of your tasks.

I wanted something closer to the 5045 size, with FEL, but wasn't willing to pay an extra $10K for green, the original orange, etc....it's working out well so far. I wouldn't overlook a newer used model....just saw a beautiful 2008 Kioti DK55 with cab on Craigslist for $24K, and it's only got 138hrs on it....that's a lot of tractor for the money!

 

[sdkubota]

I'm biased because I deliberately purchased a 2WD and with a rear weight have no problem loading the loader with dirt in hard clay. Less maintenance on a 2WD than 4WD and power comes from the rears on either one. (Ducks and runs for cover)

 

[murphy1244]

:welcome: I use a MF 135 for brushing and grading, loaded tires.

 

[TripleR]

We have hills and have owned 2WD tractors with a FEL and got rid of them, some people really like them. Check threads out by MBDiagMan as he has a 5045.

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/john-deere-buying-pricing/182560-new-baby-5045d-due-date.html

 

[agsanders]

Thanks for the replies. I'm going to do some more reading. This is really or me just to play with at home.

 

[WilliamBos]

Go larger fwa tractor. You get the best of both worlds.

 

[magicheater]

4WD hands down. Had a 65 H.P. 2WD w/loader and the 45HP 4WD I replaced it with was far and away better. No need for chains in the winter and way better for loader work.

 

[rekees4300]

I have spent hours reading threads but I need some help and advice.

My 4300 is similar to the 3032 and it's plenty for messing around on my 42 acres. I think a 5045 would be much more than you need for just 15 acres. Whatever you end up getting, I recommend it has 4WD. It makes a significant difference in what a tractor can do.

 

[boggen]

pictures of property, trails, amount of trees, picture of what you call slopes vs steep hills.

 

[DKCDKC]

Had a 68 hp 2030 JD (1974) for 11 years. It did everything I needed on my 120 acres - mostly wooded and hilly land. Primary use was brush cutting and box blading mile gravel drive. The FEL was hefty and awfully useful. I downsized to a 3038e a year ago. I needed to lower the unit to ease mounting it, and to allow my wife - she of metal knees and hips - to get on. And the 4WD is good for snow.

Without the "getting on" problem, I'd have stayed with the 2WD and added chains for snow. For just messing around on 15 acres, I'd shoot for an old JD or similar. It won't cost you much and you'll get a lot for your money. I bought mine for $7K and sold it for $5K... Could 'a got more with more patience.

 

[deere5105]

It is my opinion there are big differences between the utility tractors today and the older row crop tractors. For example, I purchased a 50 hp JD 5105 thinking it would be as capable as an older 52 hp Ford 4000. Both units being 2wd, the older Ford would likely have dragged the newer JD backwards. If the unit is going to have a loader definitely go 4wd and if affordable, would go 4wd irregardless. Have a 4wd JD 5303, 64 hp, now and am very pleased with the change.

 

[2458n]

15 acres says small 4x4. You will love the low range in alot of cases. The loader will be smaller but you just make a couple of more passes. Only have the fake hips now ,but you do think twice before getting on and of the bigger tractor a bunch.

 

[agsanders]

Thanks all. I'm thinking a smaller 4wd will be fine. We never have snow so that's not a concern. No need for a cab or anything like that. This will mainly be a toy for me. I'll use it to maintain trails for my kids motorcycles, bush hog a couple of acres to shoot skeet, etc. It certainly won't get used every day. I'll get to looking.

 

[DieselnHooters]

Thanks all. I'm thinking a smaller 4wd will be fine.

Hold on to that thought

2WD tractors with FEL are a thing of the past and dont resell easily

 

[MHarryE]

Resale is important if you plan to get rid of it someday. We just got rid of an old JD utility, 78 PTO HP utility, 2WD, for $5,000. Going by comparisons we would have expected $15,000 for it in the same condition if it had the MFWD option but my father in law didn't want to pay the $2k extra for it at the time. As for extra maintenance cost, we have 4 MFWD tractors and one 2WD tractor on our main farm. The only front maintenance has been changing oil and that doesn't seem like a lot of money for what we get. Each of the MFWD tractors is second generation for us meaning we have traded off previous MFWD tractors for them so its no something like "just wait, they will break shortly".

 

[ddb123]

I'll chime in in favor of a smaller 4wd. I went from a 45hp 2wd to a 35hp 4wd and although it's not the same comparison you made in your original post, the 4x4 is far superior. You'll use the smaller tractor for more chores near your house, too. Besides, they are cuter, and everyone knows a tractor should be cute

 

[boggen]

Thanks all. I'm thinking a smaller 4wd will be fine. We never have snow so that's not a concern. No need for a cab or anything like that. This will mainly be a toy for me. I'll use it to maintain trails for my kids motorcycles, bush hog a couple of acres to shoot skeet, etc. It certainly won't get used every day. I'll get to looking.

smaller tractor with the extras....
or larger tractor with extreme basics...

those extras can really pay for themselves.....

AG / R1 tires. would be better for mud like conditions, granted AG tires will more likely tear up the finish lawn around the house though.

TNT (top and tilt) hyd cylinders for 3pt hitch. can really make a difference, being able to adjust angle left to right and back and forward of a scrapper blade, box blade, land plane, even a bush hog. most tractors just come with a turn buckle you need to hop off of tractor and then adjust the top link and a side link to adjust the 3pt hitch implement, but replacing turn buckles with hyd cylinders. can make jobs quicker and put on a better professional look better, once you get experience under your belt.

going for higher up "work lights" rear work light advisable. makes for dealing with hooking/unhooking implements, and maybe another hour or 2 of work before sun completely goes down on you, during spring/fall times of the year.

if there is an option for larger alternator, i might advise getting it, more so if ya plan to get a couple extra work lights on tractor and perhaps thought of adding a winch to the tractor (it helps)

with trees ya got trees that are down, or getting stuck, adding a good rated winch to tractor can always make things easier pull logs out of the woods or getting yourself unstuck, without anyone else the wiser.

FEL (front end loader) with general heavy duty bucket. (not the cheaper wood chip only buckets), would advise a tooth bar for cutting edge, if you plan on digging, 4x4 or MFWD can also help when digging with FEL. granted fel is not the best thing to dig with but it is there.

if ya dealing with a bunch of trees that you want to take down over time or ya chop fire wood. it may be worth while to look at a unit with a backhoe (a 3pt hitch with sub frame advised) to get rid of them ugly stumps.

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kinda of a bad time of the year, but during spring/summer/fall, the forum last couple years tends to be hoping with huge amounts of little extras folks end up adding to there tractor....

chain hooks to the FEL bucket, places to hang 5 gallon buckets, or hooks to hold chains. lights, adding hyd cylinders or gauge wheels to various 3pt implements to make 3pt implement a tad more easier to set to depth or angle better. perhaps going with telescopic lower arm links for 3pt hitch, or going with some sort of quick attach for 3pt hitch or for the FEL.

pallet forks, rear scrapper blade, box blade, land plane, 4in1 bucket, grapple for FEL. bush hog (rotatory cutter), post hole digger / auger. various racks.

figure out what might work best for you.

 

[deere5105]

For the work you describe an older 2wd unit would probably work fine, but if you only want to buy once go with 4wd, especially if adding a FEL. If you have little experience operating a tractor, finding one with hydro transmission may make the operation easier and more enjoyable.

 

[Verticaltrx]

I have two tractors of similar size to what you are considering, a 4wd B3200 Kubota with loader and a 2wd 5203 Deere no loader. For what you want the smaller 4wd tractor would probably be better. Between my 5203 and B3200, the B3200 gets used more and it a lot more handy for most jobs. With that said, there is no comparison between the two when it comes to field work, dirt moving, PTO work or pulling. The larger tractor just outworks the smaller one by a wide margin.