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I'm shopping for a new compact tractor. I'd like to get something that's diesel powered, 4wd, has a loader rated to lift 1,000 lbs., and comes with a manual transmission or shuttle shift (no hydros). Shouldn't be that hard, right? Because I don't do this all the time, I didn't know that some tractors in this category have Regen. Ugh. No thanks. I looked at a Kubota today, closest to what I need/would like is a L2502. Only 25hp but dealer said everything bigger comes with Regen. I will be looking at Kioti next. Unclear on what they are doing for emissions. There's a Massey dealer nearby. What else should I be looking at? Brands or model recommendations would be welcome. Thanks!

O.
 
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Most of the under 26HP tractors sitting on a dealer's showroom will probably have an HST transmission, although some have geared as an option. That is what I found when looking lately. The New Holland Workmaster 25S sub-compact tractor that I just bought only comes with HST. I like it for what it is used for, mowing with the mid-mount mower and light lifting. The FEL is rated for 1,005#. The Workmaster 25 compact can lift 1,600# and has both HST and geared transmission options. Neither tractor has DPF as they are under 26HP. My tractor was $14,900 with FEL and mower. The dealer also sells Kioti. They were nice tractors and are comparably priced. Since I already have 2 New Hollands I stayed with New Holland.
 
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All tractors 26+ hp will have some emissions equipment. My advice is to see which dealers you have within what you consider to be a reasonable distance. Then go there and look at machines that meet your requirements. Test operate them and read reviews. Also consider the dealer: do they have an acceptable service shop, parts inventory, and reputation? Once you narrow down your choices, post back here and describe your intended uses and the machines you’re considering. Lots of forum members will have good advice if you explain your criteria and machine options. And depending on your needs, you shouldn’t foreclose consideration of machines with DPF emissions equipment. Many of us have experienced no problems with them. Lastly, price is always important for most of us, but it shouldn’t be the sole decision criteria.
 
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There are some guys that have the SA425 Yanmar tractors
0% for 84 months. 10 year warranty discounts up to $4,500


At 75-rated hp (80 max) the 80F Keyline is Tier 4 final capable with no Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) and without the use of a an exhaust fluid additive (SCR). That means you can rely on your tractor to operate reliably without worry about regeneration, filters or additional fluids. It doesn't get any simpler than the proven powertrain of an 80F Keyline.At 75-rated hp (80 max) the 80F Keyline is Tier 4 final capable with no Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) and without the use of a an exhaust fluid additive (SCR). That means you can rely on your tractor to operate reliably without worry about regeneration, filters or additional fluids. It doesn't get any simpler than the proven powertrain of an 80F Keyline.

willy
 
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Stricter Tier IV off-road diesel engine emission reduction standards phased in dealer tractor inventory during 2009 - 2012, impacting tractor prices.

Tier IV emission standards require all tractor manufacturers to add or revise pollution reduction technology on new tractors generating over 19 kW power = 25.4794 horsepower.

Most manufactures can meet Tier IV requirements without a Diesel Particulate Fillter up to about 26 horsepower via engine design and injection timing.

DPF is used by the majority of tractor manufactures for emissions control on OVER 24.4794 horsepower tractors.

Tier IV technology complicates the engine and exhaust package and is a significant cost factor. However, in favor of Tier IV technology, the cancer causing pollutants emitted by a Tier IV technology tractor are only 1% of the pollutants emitted by a pre-Tier IV tractor.
 
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You recently initiated these threads:

Compact Utility Tractor + skid steer implements?

Alternatives to John Deere 110 TLB?


I'm shopping for a new compact tractor. I'd like to get something that's diesel powered, 4wd, has a loader rated to lift 1,000 lbs., and comes with a manual transmission or shuttle shift (no hydros).

You need to know that subcompact tractors are basically excellent lawn mowing machines that can do limited landscaping applications like moving fluffy mulch.

What tasks do you wish to do?
How many acres do you have that your prospective tractor will actually work?

If you buy too light of a tractor, then through inexperience push it too hard, your new tractor will soon be in the shop.

BUY ENOUGH TRACTOR




 
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Get a CUT with local-to-you dealer support. Look at consumables pricing. Nothing wrong with MF/NH/CIH/JD/K. My personal experience is K parts are cheaper and easier to obtain quickly than NH/JD which is why I sold my NH CUT and bought my fourth K.

Buy a used CUT eg. 2015 M59TLB last year of manufacture no DEF/DPF
or
Suck it up, get with the times and buy a new CUT with DPF

DPF/DEF is a cost of doing business
 
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Yes, Jeff, it's called research, thinking out loud among friends. I've been a member for a long time (hence that 1 acre description from 15 years ago or whenever I signed up). It's now 40+ acres.

O.
Ahhh, the importance of keeping your bio up to date... I would never suggest a 25 hp tractor for 40 acres (too small) and I would not shy away from a hydrostatic transmission or a regenerative emission tractor. But that is why they make so many options when it comes to tractors, to each their own.
I do mostly mowing and road grading with my 52 hp hydrostatic tier 4 Kubota. I will never go back to a clutched drive train. The hydrostatic trans is more controllable and more convenient to operate. I previously owned two 50 hp shuttle shift tractors over a 30 year span of year round operation.
 
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If you will work all those 40 acres with your prospective tractor the great majority of experienced tractor operators posting here will recommend a CUT with a bare weight of 3,700 pounds to 5,000 pounds. My recommendation for 40 acres actually worked is 5,000 pounds bare tractor weight.

If you will work less than 40 acres, a lighter tractor may be appropriate.

A Kubota L2502 has a bare weight of 2,700 pounds.

Most tractors under 3,000 pounds bare weight operate in residential or hobby farm applications on one to ten flat acres.


The fundamental importance of TRACTOR WEIGHT eludes many tractor shoppers. Tractor capability is more closely correlated to tractor weight than any other single (1) specification.

The most efficient way to shop for tractors is to first identify potential tractor applications, then, through consulataton, establish bare tractor weight necessary to safely accomplish your applications. Tractor dealers, experienced tractor owners and TractorByNet.com are sources for weight recommendations.

Sufficient tractor weight is more important for most tractor applications than increased tractor horsepower. Bare tractor weight is a tractor specification easily found in sales brochures and web sites, readily comparable across tractor brands and tractor models, new and used.

Within subcompact and compact tractor categories, a significant tractor capability increase requires a bare tractor weight increase of 50%. It takes a 100% increase in bare tractor weight to elicit MY-OH-MY!

Shop your weight range within tractor brands. Budget will eliminate some choices. Collect a dealer brochure for each tractor model in your weight range. I spreadsheet tractor and implement specs, often a revealing exercise. I have a column for cost per pound.

Selling a used tractor is easy. Selling multiple light implements in order to buy heavier, wider implements for a new, heavier tractor requires a lot of time. Depreciation on implements is worse than depreciation on a tractor.

When considering a tractor purchase bare tractor weight first, tractor horsepower second, rear axle width third, rear wheel/tire ballast fourth.

A quality dealer, reasonably close, available for coaching, is important for tractor neophytes. Most new tractors are delivered with a glitch or two requiring correction. My Kubota dealer is six miles away. I feel my local dealer continues to add value to my equipment after seven years. Dealer proximity is less important for those experienced with tractors and qualified to perform their own maintenance.

BUY ENOUGH TRACTOR.​
 
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What is your reason for not wanting Hst?
 
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I always resisted getting an HST tractor as I never had any problems gear shifting and so forth. I have 2 with HST now and find I have no complaint, not missing the 2 or 3 horsepower an HST eats up. One is 40 HP and has a regen feature that causes no problem, it works fine even when in the midst of regeneration ( about every 50 hours.). The other is 23 HP, doesn't regen or need any DEF. The 23 horse tractor is used for lawn and small brushhogging but I think my ATV could probably out pull it. Strictly a mower. The 40 horse does a nice job filling in as a farm tractor, skids logs, plows snow, larger bushhogging jobs, moving dirt and gravel, etc., etc. Get enough tractor for your needs, especially future needs.
 
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A traditional clutch and gear tractor has very impaired resale value in this age.
 
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If you aren't on your lawn, and not making money driving around in a field, I think the 3-4-5000lb 4wd tractor does the rest best?
I like mine with HST, and if I got into hay or something I would just add some cheap old 2wd ~60hp+ mostly to run the round baler. My tractor does the rest pretty good really.
 
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People get too caught up in acreage sizes. Just because someone has 40 acres doesn’t mean they plan to work all 40 acres. There is definitely a difference in mowing 40 acres vs 4 acres but not much of a difference in dealing with tree and brush work on 40 acres verses 4 acres.



I have 20 acres and purchased my 2502 to clean up brush, deal with tons of trees and tops laying on the ground and help harvest firewood to sell, also to put in gardens and food plots, to create ATV trails, and basically for just general tractor work. I am not mowing 20 acres and never will be. For my 20 acres I had everyone under the sun telling me to buy bigger and I came close to pulling the trigger on a Grand L, but I am certainly happy I didn’t listen to them. There isn’t anything I don’t like about the 2502, it fits my needs perfectly. And I have none of that emissions stuff to deal with and have the most basic mechanical engine available which means it’s easy to work on. I purchased my 2502HST because at the time, I couldn’t find a 2501 used close by. Since then, 2501’s are easily had with very low hours in the $16K-20K range with some implements. I think it’s a lot of tractor for the money.
 
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There are some guys that have the SA425 Yanmar tractors
0% for 84 months. 10 year warranty discounts up to $4,500


At 75-rated hp (80 max) the 80F Keyline is Tier 4 final capable with no Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) and without the use of a an exhaust fluid additive (SCR). That means you can rely on your tractor to operate reliably without worry about regeneration, filters or additional fluids. It doesn't get any simpler than the proven powertrain of an 80F Keyline.At 75-rated hp (80 max) the 80F Keyline is Tier 4 final capable with no Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) and without the use of a an exhaust fluid additive (SCR). That means you can rely on your tractor to operate reliably without worry about regeneration, filters or additional fluids. It doesn't get any simpler than the proven powertrain of an 80F Keyline.

willy
I thought everything above 26 horsepower had emissions.

Is there we anything the size of a Kubora LX2610, that has more Horsepower?

I want something that has enough poert to run a rototiller that will cover its footprint.

I don't care if it's new or an era model.

No emissions

Or a 23 hp or greater diesel tractor with 4x4 and rear pro that's about the size of a John Deere 455 garden tractor?
 
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I thought everything above 26 horsepower had emissions.

Is there we anything the size of a Kubora LX2610, that has more Horsepower?

I want something that has enough poert to run a rototiller that will cover its footprint.

I don't care if it's new or an era model.

No emissions

Or a 23 hp or greater diesel tractor with 4x4 and rear pro that's about the size of a John Deere 455 garden tractor?
I run a 5' tiller with my Kubota L2502 with no issues whatsoever and it covers the tire tracks. No emissions, and a larger tractor.
 
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I ran a 5' bush hog with my 76 year old 9N (for 20 years)
Also a 6' finish mower.
Now use my Ford 1510 23hp diesel 4x4.
 

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