Concrete foundation without a cement truck

   / Concrete foundation without a cement truck #11  
It can be done. Just takes work.

In the not too distant past building foundations/floors etc. The materials were mixed on site. I've seen it done. Aggregate hauled in with horses and wagons before hand. Cement mixer running off a small gasoline engine. Just sacks of Portland. No ready mix at that time. Water likely pumped by hand and carried in buckets. Just hard work!
 
   / Concrete foundation without a cement truck #12  
Two summers ago I started my cabin, it too was where no cement trucks could get to. We had an electric cement mixer and 250, 80lbs bags of concrete. We planned to spend 1 entire summer just on the pylons. We hauled 1 pallet of concrete at a time, 50 bags, and were able to get 1-2 pylons a weekend. It was some of the hardest work I've ever done. The result was rewarding.

Just jump in and get it down. That's what I did...

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   / Concrete foundation without a cement truck #13  
Here's another angle and right before the snow started...

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   / Concrete foundation without a cement truck
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#14  
Those are some pretty skookum looking piers Snobdds! Making me re-think the pier vs. poured foundation question.
 
   / Concrete foundation without a cement truck #15  
When we built our cabin in Alaska - I never considered a complete foundation. We dug strategically located holes to a depth well below the frost line and mixed our own cement on site and filled each hole, one at a time. We jammed a 12" diameter sono tube into the wet concrete and adjusted it to bring it to an "on grade" height and filled the sono tubes with cement. After we were done and the cement had hardened for about 40 days we started the building with 18" diameter logs - two sided to a thickness of 14" as the sill joists and went from there with logs for the remainder of the cabin. Our cabin was quite a ways out in the bush - being about 45 miles SW of Palmer.
 
   / Concrete foundation without a cement truck #16  
Those are some pretty skookum looking piers Snobdds! Making me re-think the pier vs. poured foundation question.


Pylons are the way to go for a cabin. That way you don't have to do the entire pour at once and it can be broken up into pieces. If you have any deep snows in your area, it helps to get the cabin off the ground. We get 10+ feet of snow, so being 4 feet off the ground helps so much with snow depths.
 
   / Concrete foundation without a cement truck #17  
Some thoughts:

Figure on 3,000 pounds per yard, so five yards is 15,000 lbs. That's 250 60 lb bags. My Home Depot has them on sale for $2.17/bag if you buy a pallet or more, which is cheaper than the price I could get from a truck. It's also cheaper per pound than the 80 lb bags. I prefer the 60 pounders because they're easier to handle.

Foundations are usually done in what's called a "monolithic pour." What that means is that at the end of the job you have a single piece of concrete. Cured concrete doesn't bond well to uncured concrete, so time is of the essence when doing a monolithic pour, once you start you can't stop. If the concrete already in the form has hardened before you add more concrete you get what's called a "cold joint" which can be a weak point. So you need to either plan it so you can work uninterrupted, or figure a way to break it into separate job. I would say that 250 bags is a lot to do all at once, especially if you aren't experienced. What happens if your mixer breaks down after 100 bags?

Look into piers. It's a big advantage to be able to do them one at a time. If you have stamped plans your engineer should be able to tell you if they're feasible with your soil, how many you'll need and how big.

The other thing to think about is how you're going to get everthing else that goes into the cabin there! If your cabin is 1250 square feet, a rough guess would be 20 pounds per square foot for the materials to get it closed in, or 25,000 lbs. That's a lot to take in small loads.

Keep us posted, these kinds of projects are fun.
 
   / Concrete foundation without a cement truck
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#18  
Differential settling would be a concern wouldn't it? I mean if you only loaded some of the pylons and then in later years loaded the others wouldn't the settling be uneven?
 
   / Concrete foundation without a cement truck #19  
You can pour the foundation using bag mix and use construction joints between segments.
End one segment with keyway and some rebar. Joints are used in many foundations
 
   / Concrete foundation without a cement truck #20  
Ok I know I am going to catch some flame for this but am going to say it anyway. When i read "footer" or "foundation" i am thinking at or below grade. Why can you not pour in a dry mix right into the footing ? Adding some water and mixing it really well in the footing if you can would even be better. Believe it or not the dry mix will absorb water from the surrounding soil over a period of time. Please note that the stiffer you mix concrete (which means using less water) the stronger the end result will be. Excess water is a major no no. A shovel and mixing it really well in the footing as you pour it in fits this stiff mix requirement just fine. The concrete blocks on top of the footer suggested above will work just fine. Some may or may not agree with this idea but just to keep it short i do know a bit about what i am talking about.
 

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