Confused about horsepower rating Kioti CK 2510 vs CK 351o

[jix]

Just in the process of buyin a new tractor, reviwing attatrchments, etc. I was convinced that a CK2510 was enough tractor until I started reviewing attachment criteria: 25 horsepower is enough for blowing snow, my major objective, but not really enogh to drive good wood chipper nor a hefty grader blade. Some say that the 35 hp tractor holds market value more than the 25 hp will, because thrty hp and up are more desireable on the used maket. Possibly a valid issue because the pro landscapers like them better than the 25 hp. Ditto for the attachments. I am not buying a backhoe, may be a loader, certainly a box plane, certainly a PTO dump box, certainly a front blower rig for my 200' cru\shed stone driveway I( own three axcres of flat sandy land bopunded by millions of scrub birch birch on the vacant land adjacent.
The cost difference is about 12 grand up here in CANADA tax land between the CH2015 and the CK3510 plus taxes of 13%. My concerns are two: is the 24.5 hp CK 2510 enough tractor if I ever fitted a loader and 2.) which machine will hold its resale value best?

I have not seen an opinion on these two points since KIOTO reworked thir tractor line-up.
I like the idea of the CK3510 because of future options flexibility, perhaps its resale value; but I like the CK2510 because it is handier for my wife to operate it in a crunch. Both are HST tranny models. I( will not have a gear tractor for her sake.

I am an old and partially disabled man with serious health issues, so the residual value is my only affordable kind of life insurance. I will never farm the land, nor keep animals. I will blow snow. That is all that can be predicted now. Either tractor iks a liability, but I must blow snow..and therefore it is a necessity to us. The trump card is resale value..the total cost, wthin reason is not.
MYour views are importan t to my decision, gents. May I have them please, if you will be so kind.

Thanks, JIX

 

[fried1765]

If you can afford it, ..... GET the 35HP tractor!
You will never be sorry that you did!
I am 75 years old, and have a 1988 (nearly pristine -1057 hours) 32HP 4x4 Ford with loader.
I love it, but would not want any less than 32HP.

 

[4570Man]

Do either models have a DPF or similar EPA crap?

 

[dadster4]

I am very happy with my CK3510H. It does have a DPF, and will regen while using the tractor, sounds a little different and barely loses power while in the process- not a big deal!
My wife hopped on the day I got it and took a bucket full of gravel like a pro her first try.
I think you will need the power of the 35 over the 25, pulling a boxblade full of gravel is about the same as pushing snow.
It is also very easy to get on from either side, and the separate pedals for forward/reverse are easier on your legs.
Good luck with your purchase!

 

[Utopia Texas]

I cannot help on the actual Kioti brand but would personally go with the 35HP model. I have owned 18 tractors in my business life and still have 2 for my personal use in retirement and believe the extra HP will work the best in situations where you might have to push the unit to its limit. I would never, ever buy a tractor without 4 wheel drive and a front end loader. They are a must in my opinion.

 

[N2DFire]

Hey JIX,

All the logic & rationale you listed still apply even though the new Tier IV models are out. Horsepower is still Horsepower.

Likewise I have never once heard anyone say they wished they had built a smaller garage or bought a smaller tractor.

My father and I are just at 1 year in on a CK 35 and love it. And honestly it will do everything we *need* it to do, but sometimes we still wonder if we should have gone with the DK40 instead.

I think that if you can handle the up front cost, that long term you will be happier with the larger tractor. You mention that the smaller 2510 would be handier for your wife, if you would care to elaborate on what makes the 35 harder, perhaps the group here can come up with some tips / tricks to make it easier.

Good Luck which ever way you go.

 

[Grandad4]

Just in the process of buyin a new tractor, reviwing attatrchments, etc. I was convinced that a CK2510 was enough tractor until I started reviewing attachment criteria: 25 horsepower is enough for blowing snow, my major objective, but not really enogh to drive good wood chipper nor a hefty grader blade. Some say that the 35 hp tractor holds market value more than the 25 hp will, because thrty hp and up are more desireable on the used maket. Possibly a valid issue because the pro landscapers like them better than the 25 hp. Ditto for the attachments. I am not buying a backhoe, may be a loader, certainly a box plane, certainly a PTO dump box, certainly a front blower rig for my 200' cru\shed stone driveway I( own three axcres of flat sandy land bopunded by millions of scrub birch birch on the vacant land adjacent.
The cost difference is about 12 grand up here in CANADA tax land between the CH2015 and the CK3510 plus taxes of 13%. My concerns are two: is the 24.5 hp CK 2510 enough tractor if I ever fitted a loader and 2.) which machine will hold its resale value best?

I have not seen an opinion on these two points since KIOTO reworked thir tractor line-up.
I like the idea of the CK3510 because of future options flexibility, perhaps its resale value; but I like the CK2510 because it is handier for my wife to operate it in a crunch. Both are HST tranny models. I( will not have a gear tractor for her sake.

I am an old and partially disabled man with serious health issues, so the residual value is my only affordable kind of life insurance. I will never farm the land, nor keep animals. I will blow snow. That is all that can be predicted now. Either tractor iks a liability, but I must blow snow..and therefore it is a necessity to us. The trump card is resale value..the total cost, wthin reason is not.
MYour views are importan t to my decision, gents. May I have them please, if you will be so kind.

Thanks, JIX

I think the 25 hp machine should be plenty for your 3 acres and some snow blowing. The 35 hp model is a 50% heavier tractor, so it will certainly pull more... and leave deeper ruts wherever you drive it. I don't know the Kioti models well, so I wasn't sure if the 66" front snowblower Kioti offers fits on the new 3510 model. The 54" blower evidently does fit the 2510 according to the website.

I can't comment on the resale value but think that's a valid question. If that's a real concern for you, you might think about whether there are certain brands that do better than others on resale value and do some shopping with those brands. There seem to be many good quality tractors available in the size range you're considering.

Finally, if you can at all do it, it makes sense to get the loader with the new tractor. You'll pay more for the same loader if you go to add it later. Either way, having the loader will add to the resale value and make it sell quicker when it's time to do so. You'll also find it is the single most useful tool you can have on a tractor and it will let you do things you haven't even considered previously. You can throw away that wheelbarrow! In fact, for your 3 acres, the 25 hp tractor, with loader, will be more useful than the 35 hp tractor without it. Good luck with your shopping.

 

[jix]

Dear N2DFire: Your kind reply is consistent with all of opinions I have so far received. Thank you for a very courteous reply. I confess I am still in the CK251o camp, but I still have not signed on the dotted line. My reason is because of the local resale market hereabouts, which is not an area populated with wealthy persons, and who own mostly smaller properties without agricultural potential. The only market in the area id for snowblowers. Most persons are using plow trucks, but these leave snow berms, and have other disadvantages, such as pushing crushed stone onto lawns with the snow. the CK3510 is overkill for snow blowing from a front-mount mower. In my health situation I am prevented from doing many tasks, such as clearing scrub birch trees along my property margins or major landscaping projects. I am too weak for that, and for frequent clambering in and out of the tractor cab of even a CK 2510. Were I fit, I would completely agree with all of the men who have said just what you said. I shall never own a loader, more is the pity, nor a backhoe. My imadination has already conjured up a number of tasks that the CK 3510 would be better suited for, weith a loader and a backhoe. but my reality knows that these are pipe dreams. At the time of my death my dear wife will need to sell the tractor. I think it a stretch that my neighbors could ill afford such a machine...it is just too expensive.
I have discussed this in detail with herself..and she agrees that we do not need the bigger tractor. Strangely my KIOTI dealer also agrees. Indeed, my dealer, who has pick of the litter owns a CK 2510 with a front blower and he is more than pleased with it.

I agree with every opinion given, the CK 3510 is away more tractor, but in my situation, it is simply not the wisest choice, for a geezer like myself.
I will not live long enough to regret my decision, but my wife probably will, if she ever wanted to do major project work with the yard. Pigs cannot fly however. She will not ever think of doing that, and she could not manage changing the implements even if she did.

So, regrettably, I cannot have the candy I would like most. I must settle for less than my masculinity desires...comforted by the thought that my wife could easily sell the tractor to someone who would need it for snow blowing from inside a heated cab accessible to old bones. Such a tractor, in these regions is in very high demand, but few can afford to buy them, or have the credit to do so on a loan.

Reality must be faced squarely...and the darned snow must be cleared to get to the store or the doctor. This my strategy: Buy what I need, not what I would wish for. It is a part of growing up, and I am grown up by now. The tractor is not my new toy, it is my key to living weith the absurd winters we have come to expect..eight feet or more in annual snowfall. About eighteen snow storms a winter. There is a reason why so many Canadians are snowbirds.

Regards to you all, my TBN bretheren
Jix

 

[jix]

I think the 25 hp machine should be plenty for your 3 acres and some snow blowing. The 35 hp model is a 50% heavier tractor, so it will certainly pull more... and leave deeper ruts wherever you drive it. I don't know the Kioti models well, so I wasn't sure if the 66" front snowblower Kioti offers fits on the new 3510 model. The 54" blower evidently does fit the 2510 according to the website.

I can't comment on the resale value but think that's a valid question. If that's a real concern for you, you might think about whether there are certain brands that do better than others on resale value and do some shopping with those brands. There seem to be many good quality tractors available in the size range you're considering.

Finally, if you can at all do it, it makes sense to get the loader with the new tractor. You'll pay more for the same loader if you go to add it later. Either way, having the loader will add to the resale value and make it sell quicker when it's time to do so. You'll also find it is the single most useful tool you can have on a tractor and it will let you do things you haven't even considered previously. You can throw away that wheelbarrow! In fact, for your 3 acres, the 25 hp tractor, with loader, will be more useful than the 35 hp tractor without it. Good luck with your shopping.

Granddad4 :Thanks, the best answer I have seen.. I just posted my decision. It will be the Kioti CK 2510 Tier 4 with a PTO dump box and a rear box blade..a front mount 54" blower and a heated cab. Cannot afford the loader. I am comfortable with this decision, now

Primarly there was no worfthwhile dealer anywhere near for any other brand....and IMO no better brand within striking distance... My dealer " Riverside Chainsaw"---Ivan--- has a wonderful reputation for trustworthy dealing.---and he is my friend.

 

[Grandad4]

A wise choice, and you'll have a fine tractor. It's good you've got a dealer you can count on for support. That can mean a lot. When it's ready for delivery, I'd suggest you arrange for him to give you (and your wife, if she's also going to use it), a good "hands-on" training session on how to operate and care for your new Kioti. Refueling, checking the fluids, making minor adjustments, familiarizing yourself with the diesel engine, the HST, changing rear implements are examples of essential things to learn. Please enjoy your new tractor!