Continuing Kubota saga

[TripleR]

Beginning to wonder if my salesman (new) is a former car sales guy as he definitely has the "selling" thing down although his knowledge of the Kubota product line is poor (I know more from doing my little research - and visiting TBN!). Maybe this corporate thing happens w/ cars and he thought he'd try it w/ Kubota?

I mentioned earlier that my heart went pitter-pad when I looked this unit over again yesterday :drool: Uh-oh.

One last thought - Any chance some of these current on the lot machines get the price dropped due to the Tier4 thing kicking in 2012? I'm pretty sure this one is a Tier3 emissions rig. Just wondering how they phase in a Tier.

It sounds like a car thing as I have gotten lower prices a couple of times when the salesman called to see if there were any incentives going on. My son sold cars for a short time and my son in law sold cars for a lot of years.

Just the opposite may be happening as many don't want the Tier4 engines, I sure wouldn't.

 

[MHarryE]

Wasn't in the tractor business before retiring but in something similar with lower volume and higher price. It wasn't unusual for a dealer to ask the company for what we called a SPAR, a Special Pricing Action Request. Dealer is close to a deal on a machine sitting on the dealer's lot. Dealer gets special financing terms from the company to carry the inventory but the machine might be sitting there and its getting close to the end of the season. Got a customer interested in buying, and just a little more incentive might make the deal. It is to both the dealer's and company's benefit to move the machine so why not ask the company if they will chip in to make the deal? In our business happened all the time. Sometimes the company ran the numbers and said yes, sometimes the answer was no. High volume buyer seldom heard no but in tough times and near the end of the season (having to look at carrying a machine over the winter) the company would usually chip in to close the deal on any serious offer.

 

[rasimmo]

"One last thought - Any chance some of these current on the lot machines get the price dropped due to the Tier4 thing kicking in 2012? I'm pretty sure this one is a Tier3 emissions rig. Just wondering how they phase in a Tier."


I don't think the emissions thing has anything to do with trying to push last year's models. They have just been sitting on the lot and need to move them.

A while back I called a dealer to get a price on a M5040. When the salesman called back with my quote, which was comparable to other quotes I had gotten on the same setup, he said he had a M7040 in last year's model with 0 hrs he could set up the same way for $500 less. He was just trying to move inventory he had on the lot for a while I think.

Stupid me, I should have ran over there and bought that thing.:confused2:

 

[PapaPerk]

Get another dealer to quote and compare.

Don't keep hassling them. If it's a good deal (determined through multiple quotes) go for it. If not leave it be.

Based on my experience... tractor salesman are not like car salesman. I let you all figure out what that means. :thumbsup:

 

[bucktaker]

My recent buying experience was I was looking at a Grand L 5740 that they had on the lot for awhile 2 plus yrs to be exact. i talked to the store manager about it he told me his price 25k bottom line, I said I think 20k is where I want to be. He wrote it up then contacted kubota and the deal was done,He told me they helped him sell it below invoice price. I didnt ask how they helped. I then dickered a cash price for a la854 loader that I installed myself.
So all Said I got a Grand L5740 with loader for less than the original tractor price. All because He contacted corporate to help him move inventory that been sitting.

 

[bunchgrass]

Well - I made my decision and I'm going with the 8540HDC (cab) w/ 12 speed, loader + 7' bucket, QA pallet forks, 3rd function valve, 2 sets of rear remotes - delivered (I'm 45 miles away). Final was 46,500 and I'm pretty happy with that one - not below my 45,000 but originally I wasn't even looking at cabs because they were too spendy.:drool: Ohhhh Boyyyy!

PS - thanks again to all of you for your kind help and input. You gave me a lot of perspectives to consider.:thumbsup:

 

[5030]

It sounds like a car thing as I have gotten lower prices a couple of times when the salesman called to see if there were any incentives going on. My son sold cars for a short time and my son in law sold cars for a lot of years.

Just the opposite may be happening as many don't want the Tier4 engines, I sure wouldn't.

I know I don't as well. Interestingly, as bad as the economy is, used heavy duty trucks (tractor-trailer type) are selling like hotcackes used. Same scenario, no one wants the new emissions compliant engines.

Emission compliant means leaner burn. more heat and less reliability, actually not leaner in combustion chamber burn but after combustion burn with additional additives like DEF or injecting diesel in the exhaust stream and igniting it via a sparkplug or both. It all adds up to more complexity, more parts to breakdown and more fuel (or expensive additives) used.

Tractor dealers are just like truck dealers, every unit is floorplanned and the dealer pays taxes on equipment on the lot. As a franchisee, the dealer is always at a price point set by the manufacturer (on new equipment). Used equipment is based on what the market will bear.

Any tractor is considered used if it's sold and used, even if for 5 minutes and your tractor may have been at a customers as a demo, a common practice here. I took my 105 on a demo from the dealer and bought it. However, I could have said no even though I used it. The dealer has to sell it as a used unit, because it was/is.

Finally, Kubota isn't in the business of accessorizing any tractor, the dealer is.

 

[RaydaKub]

Well - I made my decision and I'm going with the 8540HDC (cab) w/ 12 speed, loader + 7' bucket, QA pallet forks, 3rd function valve, 2 sets of rear remotes - delivered (I'm 45 miles away). Final was 46,500 and I'm pretty happy with that one - not below my 45,000 but originally I wasn't even looking at cabs because they were too spendy.:drool: Ohhhh Boyyyy!

It's not official until we see the pictures.

 

[bunchgrass]

It's not official until we see the pictures.

Or until I send them my first born.

 

[TripleR]

Congratulations, are you going to get bucket hooks, loaded tires and what tires are you getting?

 

[bunchgrass]

R1s and if I recall, they were 30's not 28's. Cast wheels. Not sure what you mean by bucket hooks nor where the go on the bucket - unless you mean a grapple i which case it would be no grapple. No ballast in the rears for now. Had bad experience with wheel corrosion in the past.

Man - I'm not sure how this happened but Kubota said take it as is for $45,000 or pay for the "add ons" - QA forks and 3rd function. My dealer said that's another $1750 (which seems way below MSRP) and then only asked for $1500 more. I've asked a couple of times "are you sure that's the price w/ said items added?" And asked for delivery too. He said that's the deal so I guess that's why I'm in.

BTW - heard back from my my other Kubota place on an open station 8540. They want $43,000 for same stuff on an open cab. I'll send a pic when I get her here.

 

[RaydaKub]

Not sure what you mean by bucket hooks nor where the go on the bucket

Hooks welded / bolted onto the top ridge of your bucket in which to hook chains for securing the load or lifting. Usually in pairs right above the lift arms, but sometimes in 3's.

 

[bunchgrass]

Hooks welded / bolted onto the top ridge of your bucket in which to hook chains for securing the load or lifting. Usually in pairs right above the lift arms, but sometimes in 3's.

That's a dealer thing? Didn't know it. On my MF loader someone bolted hooks to the upper outside edge of the bucket. They swivel but it's a lot of torque on the bolt holding the whole thing together. Might have to inquire about having the hooks added cause I can't live w/o 'em.

 

[TripleR]

What RaydaKub said, read some of the old threads for ideas. You will need the bucket lip reinforced on the 8540. The dealer did not do so and before my son had the time the middle one got bent when someone got in a hurry and lifted with only one hook.

As to ballast, we used windshield washer fluid, but we did not get the cast wheels. You will need added ballast on your 3PH even with the cast wheels or filled tires.

You got a heck of a buy on that thing.:thumbsup:

 

[NativeSon]

Yeah you got to get the hooks. My dealership did a nice job of re-enforcing the bucket and welding on the hooks and painting them. Looked like a factory job. With the dead trees we have here I use those hooks a lot more than I thought I would, dragging down trees to the burn pile etc. Now if they would just be able to lift the burn ban.

Charlie

 

[bunchgrass]

When you say reinforce the bucket lip, do you mean adding a "cutting edge" like what you use on a snow plow?

I will look for some old threads RE: hooks and bucket reinforcing.

Charlie - It's been "burn baby burn" here, trying to clear up the burnable debris from demolishing an old building etc before the snow flies (this weekend).

 

[TripleR]

When you say reinforce the bucket lip, do you mean adding a "cutting edge" like what you use on a snow plow?

I will look for some old threads RE: hooks and bucket reinforcing.

Charlie - It's been "burn baby burn" here, trying to clear up the burnable debris from demolishing an old building etc before the snow flies (this weekend).

No, the top lip of the bucket where the hooks will be, your bucket should have a welded reinforcing plate already on the bottom or at least mine did.

I found a good thread on them the other day, but forgot to book mark the page. Some people have up to five hooks on their bucket, I think Beppington does, but I am not sure.

 

[bunchgrass]

No, the top lip of the bucket where the hooks will be, your bucket should have a welded reinforcing plate already on the bottom or at least mine did.

I found a good thread on them the other day, but forgot to book mark the page. Some people have up to five hooks on their bucket, I think Beppington does, but I am not sure.

Glad I asked!

 

[TripleR]

Glad I asked!

Here is just one of several threads:http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachments/132894-hooks-front-end-loader.html

 

[NativeSon]

Triple R was correct they re-enforced the top edge of the bucket where the hooks were welded on. Placement is important, they need to be lined up to where the hydralic cylinders attach to the bucket.

Charlie