Corona Virus #5

[pennwalk]

instead of a thousand bucks from the government I would rather have 30 n-95 masks and a quart of purell.

Chris

 

[Molalla1]

instead of a thousand bucks from the government I would rather have 30 n-95 masks and a quart of purell.

Chris

:thumbsup: . . . Yep.

 

[ultrarunner]

I think it is too bad we can't all get N-95 masks. It looks like it would help. Even if every one wore cloth surgical masks it seems like it would help contain the droplets that you breath out.

Chris

My inventory was just requsitioned for the ER at our sister facility... Not that I stock many compared to surgical masks... In 29 years this is a first

 

[/pine]

No that was the stock market crash, and subsequent "Great Depression".

If you look at the definition...well down the list you will see this:
PANIC:

a sudden widespread fright concerning financial affairs that results in a depression of values caused by extreme measures for protection of property (such as securities)

 

[stuckmotor]

My wife left a note on the kitchen table that if she gets the virus she wants to be put on a ventilator because she thinks she can beat it. I guess she thinks I'll let her slip away them take her insurance payout and run off with someone's grandma.

 

[John Fitzgerald]

The coronavirus saved our car. We were supposed to be at friend's house for coffee this morning. They called it off a couple days ago because of our bad immune systems. This morning a big tree fell across their driveway right where our car would have been parked. It would have hit right in the middle of the roof. Whew!

 

[California]

I heard if things get bad enough they may restrict travel. I am kind of counting on being able to get to the farm to keep from going stir crazy at home.

My orchard is within the strict 'shelter in place' SF Bay Area region - Sonoma County. We're home in town over in the Central Valley subject only to the statewide cautions, elderly stay home etc. I would love to be over there.

Daughter (in SF region and working from home) thinks if things get worse I would be at risk of hijack being on the road when no one else is, or just by being in there when burglars would expect the small farmhouse there to be vacant.

Risk of personal safety hadn't occurred to me. Both home and ranch are in areas that are peaceful, violent crime is unheard of. But daughter said they went to a sporting goods store near her home (SF and Silicon Valley area) Sunday and it was jammed with first time firearms customers in long lines. Strange times.

 

[Diggin It]

The coronavirus saved our car. We were supposed to be at friend's house for coffee this morning. They called it off a couple days ago because of our bad immune systems. This morning a big tree fell across their driveway right where our car would have been parked. It would have hit right in the middle of the roof. Whew!

^^ Coolidge!!!

 

[k0ua]

My orchard is within the strict 'shelter in place' SF Bay Area region - Sonoma County. We're home in town over in the Central Valley subject only to the statewide cautions, elderly stay home etc. I would love to be over there.

Daughter (in SF region and working from home) thinks if things get worse I would be at risk of hijack being on the road when no one else is, or just by being in there when burglars would expect the small farmhouse there to be vacant.

Risk of personal safety hadn't occurred to me. Both home and ranch are in areas that are peaceful, violent crime is unheard of. But daughter said they went to a sporting goods store near her home (SF and Silicon Valley area) Sunday and it was jammed with first time firearms customers in long lines. Strange times.

Take your own firearm with you. You are the only one responsible for your personal safety.

 

[MossRoad]

If we had a million ventilators, who would man them? People are knee-jerking this a bit. More important IMHO to ramp up production of masks to limit exposure than fight the virus once it is spread. Same with gloves and hand sanitizer. Simple and effective measures we can put in place quickly. Masks are easy to make compared to a ventilator and cheap. YouTube videos of how to use them correctly. This is not rocket surgery.

We need to accept a LOT of people are going to die. Not everyone can be saved. The issue becomes. do a LOT die or a **** OF A LOT?

No one said a million ventilators. They said a million respirators, as in DUST MASK.

 

[the old grind]

"Those most at risk to severe developments are older than 70 and have weak immune responses. Others at risk include people with pulmonary abnormalities, chronic disease or compromised immune systems, such as cancer patients who have gone through chemotherapy treatment. Think of the coronavirus like the flu because it goes through the same process within the body. Many people contract the flu and recover with no complications."

 

[MossRoad]

Think the wife would be mad if I panic bought a new tractor ...lol

That's not panic it's smart. Have you ever heard of anybody getting infected riding a tractor? I'm not panicked but I am a little concerned. I heard if things get bad enough they may restrict travel. I am kind of counting on being able to get to the farm to keep from going stir crazy at home.

Chris

No, but there's quite a few stories about people finding bee nests with their tractors. Quite entertaining if you're not allergic to them.

 

[shooterdon]

No one said a million ventilators. They said a million respirators, as in DUST MASK.

One of us made a bad assumption. Mine came from the statement in the original thread

"Am glad they are increasing capacity to manufacture safety equipment. In the beginning someone quoted we had 150K respirators and we needed a million."

If you are correct, and my assumption of what the OP meant was incorrect, I find it hard to believe we have only 150k masks in the country. Maybe he meant "locally". BTW, the other factoid I used to support my assumption is 150k is what I read somewhere about number of ventilators; although the actual number is somewhat of a "national security" secret.

 

[ruffdog]

People often confuse a ventilator with a mask. This is a ventilator and how it works and what it does:

https://www.thoracic.org/patients/patient-resources/resources/mechanical-ventilation.pdf

You are in deep trouble when you need a ventilator.....it is a machine to keep you alive.

 

[/pine]

One of us made a bad assumption. Mine came from the statement in the original thread

"Am glad they are increasing capacity to manufacture safety equipment. In the beginning someone quoted we had 150K respirators and we needed a million."

If you are correct, and my assumption of what the OP meant was incorrect, I find it hard to believe we have only 150k masks in the country. Maybe he meant "locally". BTW, the other factoid I used to support my assumption is 150k is what I read somewhere about number of ventilators; although the actual number is somewhat of a "national security" secret.

The last citation I saw on the subject was this release:

Pentagon says it will give 5 million respirators, 2,000 ventilators to Health and Human Services for virus response

 

[shooterdon]

People often confuse a ventilator with a mask. This is a ventilator and how it works and what it does:

https://www.thoracic.org/patients/patient-resources/resources/mechanical-ventilation.pdf

You are in deep trouble when you need a ventilator.....it is a machine to keep you alive.

That was my point in stating a million of the things would be next to useless. Who is going to monitor them? Work on the front end to control the spread is more important than mass producing stuff we cannot use once infected. Working on drugs to help mitigate the virus or find a vaccine is useful as well.

Even ramping up to build just another 150k ventilators will require another 150 1,000 bed hospitals, the staff to man them, and cost a fortune. People grasping at straws without thinking things through are not going to help. And yes, there is a cost to human life....some lives are not worth saving. I am in the high risk sector and accept it...just reality.

 

[pennwalk]

In the beginning someone quoted we had 150K respirators and we needed a million

I thought I had read that there was a national reserve of emergency medical equipment that included 150k masks.

Chris

 

[hawkeye08]

Interesting read... sorry if it has been posted previously.

Chloroquine Known as Effective Against Coronavirus Since 25

 

[RandyT]

I read that the average age of CV-19 deaths in Italy is 79.5 and most had high blood pressure.. I wonder if it was high blood pressure that was not being treated? I heard about the malaria drug that has some promise on the CV update from Feds this morning..

Regarding N95 masks, 3M is making 35million per month, but only 5million were approved for medical. The feds got that changed very recent and now the whole 35 million are available for medical use.. other companies are stepping up, heard GM might make ventilators at some of the auto plants.

There was some talk that ACE blood pressure medicines may increase the likelihood of getting the virus. Meds ending in -pril for one.

 

[Diggin It]

I'm supposed to be taking one of those, but haven't in months.