Price Check Corriher Implement (dealer) in NC, TC30 pricing

   / Corriher Implement (dealer) in NC, TC30 pricing #1  

GeauxLSU

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Atlanta burbs
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Kubota L3130
OK, does anyone know anything about this dealer?
They are apparently a few grand cheaper than the locals are quoting me on everything but specifically a TC30 with HST, loader (bush hog brand) and bush hog rough cut, they have for $$15,400 ($14,000 for manual) and will only charge $400 to drag it all the way here. AND I wouldn't have to pay tax. That's an after tax difference of $3,333 from my local guy who wants $18,050 ($16,450 manual) BEFORE tax. Something has got to be wrong hunh?

If anybody wants to scare me away from the deal or the tractor, feel free.
 
   / Corriher Implement (dealer) in NC, TC30 pricing #2  
They are a low cost dealer that advertises on the internet. I haven't heard anything bad about them. Their prices aren't too different than the low cost dealers around here (SC). I have comparison checked. I can only assume that the dealers around your way may be keeping their prices high.
 
   / Corriher Implement (dealer) in NC, TC30 pricing
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SWB said:
They are a low cost dealer that advertises on the internet. I haven't heard anything bad about them. Their prices aren't too different than the low cost dealers around here (SC). I have comparison checked. I can only assume that the dealers around your way may be keeping their prices high.
Can you give me some SC dealers that you believe to be comparable? Obviously that's closer to Georgia so the closer the better.
Thanks. Maybe I'm just a pitiful negotiator. :eek:
 
   / Corriher Implement (dealer) in NC, TC30 pricing #4  
I talked to them when I bought my TC18. They gave me a good price, and then I took it to my local dealer to get them to lower their price considerably, which they did.

Even though I didn't buy a tractor from them, I did buy my First Choice rear finish mower from them. The price was great, the transaction was smooth, and they shipped it to the receiving dock where I work to save even more money.

I would try to get your local dealer to match the price... after all, they are probably going to be doing your service and you want a good relationship with them. If they can't come close to Corriher's price, then go for the deal!

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   / Corriher Implement (dealer) in NC, TC30 pricing #5  
AndyM said:
I talked to them when I bought my TC18. They gave me a good price, and then I took it to my local dealer to get them to lower their price considerably, which they did.

We used the same tactic as Andy when we purchased the TC-40D. It saved us some green.
 
   / Corriher Implement (dealer) in NC, TC30 pricing #6  
There is some savings over the NH 7308 and Bush Hog loaders, probably about $400. You can read alot about the tax issue online here, its not that you don't have to pay it - its that the dealer does not have to collect it. You still owe tax to your home state. Its up to you if you pay it. I'd take the price to your local dealer and see what they have to say.
 
   / Corriher Implement (dealer) in NC, TC30 pricing #7  
GeauxLSU said:
AND I wouldn't have to pay tax. That's an after tax difference of $3,333 from my local guy who wants $18,050 ($16,450 manual) BEFORE tax.
The dealer is very legitimate so do not be afraid of them.

However you legally are required to pay the tax. Not to do so is tax evasion. Many people do not understand interstate commerce laws and internet sales tax laws. There is a big legal difference between the dealer not being required to collect the tax and you not having to pay the tax. If he ships across the state line, then he does not have to collect the tax. But you still have to pay it. The difference is you pay it directly to your state and it is no longer called 'sales' tax, it is called 'use' tax.

Some folks probably get away without paying the tax. Some folks here have gotten a very nasty surprise a year or two after buying their tractor when they recieve a tax bill from their state for the tax due. Some here have even gotten a tax bill with a penalty and interest added to the tax.

If you do a search here on TBN about tax evasion or sales tax you will find a lot of discussion on it. Many folks take a position of "screw the government" and many are simply un-aware (as you are) about the sales and use tax laws. Bear in mind that these folks are giving you tax advice. You might want to talk to an accountant for REAL advice. Almost every state has both "sales" and "use" tax laws on their books, some states have agricultural exemptions, however from your post, I would guess that you do not qualify for any exemption. It should also be pointed out that many states have 'reciproicity' agreements with other states to catch tax evaders for big ticket items and if you finance the tractor your chances of getting caught are dramatically higher than if you pay cash due to the filings that are made by the bank or finance company which will be made in your state.


*** Disclaimer *** I am not a tax accountant, I am a businessman who also testifies as an 'expert' in both court hearings and in front of several state, local and county legistative bodies to testify on the excise tax issues, cross state/border tax issues, and the effects they have on consumer behavior and businesses. I am only suggesting you to talk to an accountant in your state if you want a legal answer to your question.
 
   / Corriher Implement (dealer) in NC, TC30 pricing
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Thanks guys. Have no intention of not paying any legal tax just assumed (apparently incorrectly) it did not apply to tractors, only registered vehicles (cars, trailers etc...). I'll verify with a local CPA.

That issue aside, it's STILL a $2,250 or 14% difference. Seems absurd.

Any comment about that model or competing models in the 30hp range?

Thanks.
 
   / Corriher Implement (dealer) in NC, TC30 pricing #9  
GeauxLSU said:
Thanks guys. Have no intention of not paying any legal tax just assumed (apparently incorrectly) it did not apply to tractors, only registered vehicles (cars, trailers etc...). I'll verify with a local CPA.

That issue aside, it's STILL a $2,250 or 14% difference. Seems absurd.

Any comment about that model or competing models in the 30hp range?

Thanks.

When we purchased our Class III New Holland we made a package deal. The tractor,FEL,BH,pallet forks,wheel weights, and 3-point weight bar. The closest dealer to me (20 minutes away) was 4K higher than everybody else. My point is don't assume that all dealers are created equal. It's your hard earned bucks that you're spending, shop around before buying.
 
   / Corriher Implement (dealer) in NC, TC30 pricing #10  
As for comparing brands, there are many competing brands, but I don't know what is in your area so I'll stay away from recommending any specific brands.

However I will caution a couple things. First don't assume your local dealer will not come down in price if presented with the Corriher price. Also don't underestimate the need to have a good relationship with your dealer for parts and service.

Generally I recommend that you should look at all the brands in your area and evaluate the dealership as much as you evaluate the tractors. What is the dealer's standing in the community? Has he been there a while, does he have an established customer base? Please walk around his repair shop, is it a fully equipped shop with not only mechanical, but also hydraulic and welding capabilities? Are they diesel mechanics who are qualified to actually work on the tractors? Talk to the service manager and ask how long he's had his mechanics (also see if he has grease on his hands instead of just a 'face' who supervises). What does the parts department look like, do they have at least 1 full time parts guy and maybe a couple?

We have a few tractor dealers in my area (I won't mention brands) but 2 are lawn mower repair shops that deal just got into diesel tractors. Another is a large garden center than now sells ZTRs and diesel tractors. Personally I won't deal with any of those three. I want real mechanics who know tractors. I'm not saying that a small engine guy can't fix a tractor, I'm saying that the odds are, that a small engine guy has a learning curve that he has to go through to gain the experience in diesel engine repair and hydraulic motor/pump/systems.

As for comparing tractors, the best thing to do is to ignore most of the specs and for that matter ignore the brand name. What you really should do is look at the TASKS that you need to accomplish. And then RANK the TASKS by how much time you expect to spend each year on those tasks (just estimate them). Let the most frequent/most important tasks determine the features you need to look at.

For example, if you are going to be doing a lot of mowing (rough or finish) and you are mowing around a lot of landscaping or varied terrain, then seriously consider a HST transmission. If your mowing is generally open fields then the trasnmission is far less important. If you are doing finish mowing on a nice lawn, then look for a light weight tractor to prevent soil compaction and rutting. If you have a lot of heavy box blade work to do, then look for a heavy tractor and consider a gear type machine. If your box blade work is simply dressing a gravel driveway then weight is a bit less important because that is not as traction dependant as recontouring swales or changing the shape of your land. If you are doing a lot of front loader work then strongly consider the HST transmission and the curved arm loaders available on many brands of tractors (but don't let the sales guy tell you that heavy tractors lift more because I have all sorts of proof to show he is a liar), with lifting, it is more important to have balance and that comes from properly ballasting the tractor. A heavy gear tractor is better for ground engaging tasks, especially if you have long runs. A light tractor is better if you are doing lawn type work, HST helps if you have tight turns, landscaping, building or obstructions to get around. It is hard to go wrong with a medium weight tractor and HST.

Remember that comfort is important and will make your tractoring safer. Also when you get to the point of looking at the "spec sheets" that you have to compare the same specs. A loader measured at the 'pivot' points will appear about 30% stronger than the same loader measured at 19.7" in front of the pivot point! A 3pt hitch measured a the 'ball eyes' will appear about 30% stronger than the same hitch measured at 24" behind the ball eyes. Hydrualic flow ratings are often misleading and typically totally irrelevant to you actually getting work done, at least with the small tractors! I've found that many tractor sales people don't know how to read the specs, or they lie and use them to their own advantage.

The biggest question is what are YOU going to use the tractor for and then do you have any critical tasks that will demand specific capacities?
 

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