Could a tractor power one of the ATV style winches

[PhilNH5]

I asked the same thing a while back on this TBN THREAD

Someone pointed out that at full load the winch I was looking at drew 245 amps. The middle Warn ATV 2.5ci winch draws 204 amps as shown HERE

But in the thread I linked someone did get it to work. I never got around to getting one.

Phil

 

[bczoom]

SnowRidge,

I hadn't thougth of that but I "think" he should be OK.
I've operated all my vehicles FOB's near it and nothing happened.

Pretty sure they're in a different freq range (I haven't found it for Ramsey in particular but others seem to be at 433.920 MHz) since the wireless option is now coming out in the larger winches used in vehicle recovery machines.

EDIT - Changed the freq. I mis-typed and put in 533.92 instead of 433.920

 

[SnowRidge]

<font color="blue"> (Pretty sure they're in a different freq range (I haven't found it for Ramsey in particular but others seem to be at 533.92 MHz) since the wireless option is now coming out in the larger winches used in vehicle recovery machines.) </font>

They may well be. That was just the first thing that jumped to mind (and an attempt at a little humor). There are all kinds of transmitters in all these unlicensed bands, not to mention interference from things like fencers and VCRs. I mention VCRs as an example, since we have one that interferes with the wireless portion of our burglar alarm. Fortunately, it doesn't set off the alarm because of the encoding (actually, it sets off the built in interference alarm, but we have blocked that from calling the alarm company) .

I seriously doubt that any responsible manufacturer would build a wireless winch without encoding the signal. In fact, that delay you mention may well be due to the complexity of the encoding/decoding process, but being the tech-head that I am, I would be looking for written comfort on the part of the manufacturer. That's just the way I am. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

 

[bczoom]

I did a google search and there was mention of encoding on winch remotes but I couldn't find it specifically for Ramsey. I even pulled up all the winch manuals on their site but they didn't say specific info on freq or encoding.

 

[jim_wilson]

I have thought of using the FEL to help lift the walls but thought the winch might actually do a better job - the FEL on the BX23 lifts about 650 pounds to about half height - the larger ATV winches claim to pull 3000 pounds. Figured the winch might actually pull a higher weight wall than the FEL could lift. Having the wireless remote actually helps quite a bit - since I could be right at the wall helping to lift and click the winch off when I needed to. The hardest part of lifting framed walls is getting them up to about the 45 degree point - once you are past that it becomes a lot easier to handle the weight.

I also thought about using the winch for helping to lift stuff vertically - I know you are not supposed to do that except with one rated to handle vertical lifting but I was planning on getting one with a brake no matter what type I get.

 

[bczoom]

Jim,

You may want to get a snatch block at the same time. Not sure how heavy the walls are going to be but if the BX can't do it (and a winch "should"), I'd put a snatch block in place both to double the power but maybe more importantly, to slow the rate of travel of what's being lifted.

For lifting vertically, as you said, these aren't meant to do that. I would definitely get the mechanical brake. How high do you need/want to lift? Can a 3PH boom pole on the BX help in any way?

Brian

PS. How big are these walls you're trying to get up? How much do they weigh?

 

[Highbeam]

Or turn the BK around and "tow" the wall up. You should be able to put pretty good tension on a rope this way. Not as cool as a winch though.

"A good size ATV (500cc or so) probably puts out about 20-25 amps."

My 400 cc trailbike with lights but not electric start, barely put out 5 amps. I find it unlikely that an ATV with e-start will put out more than say 10.

It is not the charge rate of the alternator that matters, the alternator will not be able to keep up and your battery will become temporarily discharged. But between winchings the running alternator will charge it back up. Look at it in terms of amp minutes. You might need 200 amps for 2 minutes which is 400 amp-mins so the 40 amp kubota alternator will need to put out 40 amps for 10 minutes to recover. The battery must have enough storage to loan out the power.

 

[jim_wilson]

I will be lifting 2x6 framed walls that will be approximately 20ft long and 8-9ft high. Not sure off the top of my head how much they weigh but usually you can lift something like this with 4-5 (depending on how strong they are).

I also plan on getting a boom pole and coming up with either a way of attaching it to my FEL bucket or replacing the bucket with the boom pole (I have a welder so I could make brackets to attach the boom pole to the bucket pivot points) . I wondered about the vertical because I was thinking of putting a pulley at the end of the boom pole and using the winch to lift stuff using the boom pole. Sounds like I might want to invest in a bigger battery for the tractor to make this all work. I was sort of thinking of doing that anyway - the Optima batteries have both a top and side post mount model, this would make it really easy to add electrics - the original tractor cables go on the top posts and the add on electrics attach to the side posts, this way I don't have to cut into the tractor wires to add more.

 

[bczoom]

Sounds like you need some friends to come over for those walls.

A deep-cycle marine type battery is a good idea if you're doing a lot of winching.

A boom pole off the end of the FEL gets kind of hairy. For example, if it was strapped into the bucket and stuck out 6', for every 1" of bucket curl or dump, the end of the pole moves several inches. It takes a lot of finess. Also watch out for the weight. Sticking out that far makes the back end of the tractor very light.

 

[Charlie_in_TX]

Highbeam, I have a 2001 Prairie 300. It has a 300watt generator. Thats 25amps at 12 volts. All modern ATVs I have seen are in the 300watt range. Most have 120 watts of light comming out the front.

We use ATVs with winchs to pick up blinds. I have picked up a 6x6 blind on 20ft stilts before. A long wall is different. You will need to pick it up from more than one spot.