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TWINKLE_TOES
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Grant,
Looks like a good place to throw a line in the water./w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
Is there a rock quarry in your area? Maybe look around some job sites where they are tearing up some old curbs or sidewalks, looks like 2-3 truck loads would do ya.
Put up a sign on the "Rock/concrete fill wanted". If none of this works just go fishing.
Looks like you have a real nice location./w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
Looks like a good place to throw a line in the water./w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
Is there a rock quarry in your area? Maybe look around some job sites where they are tearing up some old curbs or sidewalks, looks like 2-3 truck loads would do ya.
Put up a sign on the "Rock/concrete fill wanted". If none of this works just go fishing.
Looks like you have a real nice location./w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
ccatfish
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Hello GrantMO,
Not sure what kind of solutions you are thinking about, but here are a few ideas. My land backs up to a large body of water that creates a lot of erosion problems. I'm still trying to find the right contractor to help me, but here is the results of some research I've done:
1. http://www.txi.com/product_news/ezy-rap/ Not very expensive (relatively speaking, of course) and easy to install.
2. http://www.pavestone.com/hydropave/hydro_index.html
Haven't found a contractor experienced with this, but I've talked to a project manager at pavestone who swears by it.
3. A neighbor with the exact same problem as mine located several companies trying to rid themselves of large, interlocking concrete blocks used on highway construction. Once he started looking, he found a lot of people willing to give them away. Transportation of these blocks was a bit pricey. The blocks weigh 3300 pounds each and are roughly 2x2x10 in size.
4. THere is a technique known as sheet piling that I do not completely understand, but it supposedly lasts forever.
5. There are also several fabric-type products available. These didn't represent a good option for me because they do not hold up well to heavy waves, but for a creek.....
Hope this helps.
Not sure what kind of solutions you are thinking about, but here are a few ideas. My land backs up to a large body of water that creates a lot of erosion problems. I'm still trying to find the right contractor to help me, but here is the results of some research I've done:
1. http://www.txi.com/product_news/ezy-rap/ Not very expensive (relatively speaking, of course) and easy to install.
2. http://www.pavestone.com/hydropave/hydro_index.html
Haven't found a contractor experienced with this, but I've talked to a project manager at pavestone who swears by it.
3. A neighbor with the exact same problem as mine located several companies trying to rid themselves of large, interlocking concrete blocks used on highway construction. Once he started looking, he found a lot of people willing to give them away. Transportation of these blocks was a bit pricey. The blocks weigh 3300 pounds each and are roughly 2x2x10 in size.
4. THere is a technique known as sheet piling that I do not completely understand, but it supposedly lasts forever.
5. There are also several fabric-type products available. These didn't represent a good option for me because they do not hold up well to heavy waves, but for a creek.....
Hope this helps.
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Grant,
I would consider a D6 or better to straighten your creek,far as replacing the missing bank use from the other bank.
If you locate some coarse material and line the new bank than seed and hay the bank before during hot dry weather.
I bet thats good deer hunting area.
Thomas..NH /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif
I would consider a D6 or better to straighten your creek,far as replacing the missing bank use from the other bank.
If you locate some coarse material and line the new bank than seed and hay the bank before during hot dry weather.
I bet thats good deer hunting area.
Thomas..NH /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif
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Grant,
I agree with Thomas. That pic you posted is exactly how mine looked. After I made the new creek I started about 20 feet or so up on the bank you have now and pushed the bank off so that it gently sloped to the new creek and planted it heavily in grass. Even if you just took that bend out it would solve your problem and for not very much money. I have other friends who have gone the concrete route but you need alot of concrete and it's an eyesore when it's done.
Richard
I agree with Thomas. That pic you posted is exactly how mine looked. After I made the new creek I started about 20 feet or so up on the bank you have now and pushed the bank off so that it gently sloped to the new creek and planted it heavily in grass. Even if you just took that bend out it would solve your problem and for not very much money. I have other friends who have gone the concrete route but you need alot of concrete and it's an eyesore when it's done.
Richard
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I VERY STRONGLY urge you contact your county conservation district or state environmental agency. As an environmental consultant I will tell you an average client fine for adversely effected and unpermitted work in "Waterways of The United States" and regulated wetlands is in the 15K range. Of course then you will have to mitigate and take corrective action that will be costly. Another hint, they have excellent up to date ariel photography for before and after evidence. Call an engineer after talking to the proper agency in your state or county. The cost of obtaining the permits is cheap insurance against getting your self in VERY HOT WATER. Of course, this is all relative to the U.S. I don’t what country you live in.
GlenM
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GrantMO,
I agree with the comments on the board that you need to contact the Missouri Department of Conservation regarding your proposed plans. You will likely have to a apply for a section 404 permit, administered by the US Army Corps of Engineers to dump any fill in the creek. I have seen many instances where well-meaning individuals have placed hard-points of concrete or rubble incorrectly , and actually made the problem worse. MDC has a streams coordinator that will help you through this stuff, and there may even be some cost-share possibilities. His name is Brian Todd (812-785-2420). Tell him some guy in TX gave you his name.
I agree with the comments on the board that you need to contact the Missouri Department of Conservation regarding your proposed plans. You will likely have to a apply for a section 404 permit, administered by the US Army Corps of Engineers to dump any fill in the creek. I have seen many instances where well-meaning individuals have placed hard-points of concrete or rubble incorrectly , and actually made the problem worse. MDC has a streams coordinator that will help you through this stuff, and there may even be some cost-share possibilities. His name is Brian Todd (812-785-2420). Tell him some guy in TX gave you his name.
Fishman, Glenn and everyone else, thanks for all the suggestions. Below is an excellent website I found on streams from MO Dept. of Conservation. They never fail to amaze me with the helpful info. I never had thought they would have anything on stream management. The tree revetment looks interesting but would probably wash away easily. I think I'm going to have to go with riprap or something similar. I'm calling the MDC this week and I'll let everyone see how this project proceeds.
www.conservation.state.mo.us/fish/streams/
Twinkle Toes and Thomas, I think there are some decent fish in the creek but I've been to busy to check that out yet since we bought the place last May. Deer are thick around here and I often see a flock of turkeys too.
Grant
www.conservation.state.mo.us/fish/streams/
Twinkle Toes and Thomas, I think there are some decent fish in the creek but I've been to busy to check that out yet since we bought the place last May. Deer are thick around here and I often see a flock of turkeys too.
Grant
Well, I talked to MDC this week and I have a fisheries/hydrologist from the local office coming out in Feb. to take a look and advise. She said she would even give me some maps of the area when I asked her about the drainage district and how this creek eventually winds up in the Missouri river. She also said she can suggest reputable local companies that can do creek bank repair depending on what is needed.
Fishman, I plan to ask this biologist about your friend when she comes out. More later.
Grant
Fishman, I plan to ask this biologist about your friend when she comes out. More later.
Grant