Critter Proof Foundation Vent Screens?

   / Critter Proof Foundation Vent Screens? #11  
Don't know what the problem is dieselscout80 wants to solve, but my first thought is that basic grading and drainage outside need to be considered first and then a roll of heavy mil plastic might be a lot less expensive to try than the cost of a professional "encapsulation."
 
   / Critter Proof Foundation Vent Screens? #12  
Don't know what the problem is dieselscout80 wants to solve, but my first thought is that basic grading and drainage outside need to be considered first and then a roll of heavy mil plastic might be a lot less expensive to try than the cost of a professional "encapsulation."
Not drainage issues

I wonder if something like 2” foam board on the brick would be good enough insulation?

We have new ductwork that’s insulated. Do I leave the ductwork insulated?

Should I remove the floor insulation?

We also have a heat pump water heater in our crawl space that removes humidity.
 
   / Critter Proof Foundation Vent Screens? #13  
Ductwork insulation is to prevent condensation forming. Would not remove it.

Don't know why you'd remove floor insulation, either.

You can calculate the expected energy savings for your area and your particular home by performing a "manual j" calculation that takes into account the climate of your area, the size of area to be insulated, and the degree of insulation you have versus what you plan to add.
 
   / Critter Proof Foundation Vent Screens? #14  
Not drainage issues

I wonder if something like 2” foam board on the brick would be good enough insulation?

We have new ductwork that’s insulated. Do I leave the ductwork insulated?

Should I remove the floor insulation?

We also have a heat pump water heater in our crawl space that removes humidity.

It took a crew of five working diligently 8+hours a day six days to do ours, but that included ripping out the old ducts, including duct boots. Unlike @2manyrocks, I'm going to suggest that this one is for the pros, at least until you've experienced a few. There's a lot to go wrong.

Like what?

Well the basic issue is that if you have dead space, you run the risk of humidity and mold. Then there is the potential issue of separate radon abatement below the membrane.

So before the vents are sealed, you have to get the under house drainage sorted out, perimeter drains if needed, barrier walls, sump pump, radon abatement, etc., then you need to put a water and vapor proof layer down. Standard LDPE is quite porous to water vapor, and won't cut it. There's inside of the foundation needs to be sealed, and then the membrane brought up to beyond the height of the perimeter foundation, and sealed to the house perimeter joist above the sill. Any obstacles, like piers and footings need to be sealed in the same way, and all of the floor seams need to be sealed with vapor barrier tape. Insulation can be added after the membrane is up, and then sealed both to prevent air intrusion, and to prevent cold spots that might be condensation points.

With that done, the vents are sealed, but the space needs to stay dry going forward. That means either a dehumidifier, and all that goes with it (power, drain pump, remote humidity monitor, overflow alarm, and noise isolation), or you need to divert some airflow from the house to keep the humidity down, and have a method for return air. Pros and cons to both. If one has a dehumidifier, a circulation fan is needed, but often not installed. I have never found dehumidifiers to be reliable, and constantly in need of maintenance. If I could have installed it in the space above, I might have considered it, but not in my crawlspace, but it depends on the access. If it is like @ultrarunner's 5' high space, with a drain, I think having a dehumidifier might be a different story. I don't, so I didn't put a dehumidifier in, but I did put multiple humidity and temperature monitors and we will see how it goes. So far it tracks the house closely, reinforcing the idea that there is a fair amount of air exchange between the inhabited space and the crawlspace.

@dieselscout80 there are arguments both ways on the insulation, but if it were me I would, and did, leave the insulation on. I wanted some control over how much heat or cooling was going into the space. I would bear in mind that most ducts have pitifully little insulation on them (R2-3.5 in many installations), so they are going to leak and absorb a fair amount of heat. If the crawlspace gets humid and you have uninsulated ducts, you run the risk of condensation, mold, and corrosion.

I have found one, repeat one, HVAC professional in my general area, which is not small, who can actually do an accurate Manual J. Seriously. After striking out, I gave up trying to find one, and then found an energy specialist who was also an architect, who actually knew how to do one. Most of the better HVAC folks load up a number of assumptions about "average homes" for your house and call it done. Might be close, but probably won't be. The typical person just eyeballs it. (X thousand sq.ft. mean Y tons of cooling and NN thousand BTUs of heating.) I would not consider doing one until after you have an accurate energy audit, and fixing all of the identified issues. So, by all means consider doing a Manual J, but GIGO. There's a great YouTube video by a couple of HVAC professionals that gets into why one should not trust a Manual J without getting quite a bit of specific data on the home from a series of other tests.

All the best,

Peter
 
   / Critter Proof Foundation Vent Screens? #15  
Radon mitigation is not something I can speak to because you're basically trying to trap it and expel it before it reaches your living space. Leaky ductwork in a crawl space can literally suck it into your living space.

If you're only dealing with excess humidity, you can monitor humidity levels easily these days to see whether a DIY vapor barrier is working or not working.

Keep in mind that many homes have terrible air intrusion between the sill and foundation block because zero effort was put into insulating this area when the homes were built. Manual J won't tell you if your home is abnormally leaky. That would require a pressure fan test.
 
   / Critter Proof Foundation Vent Screens?
  • Thread Starter
#16  
Home is on a hill top knoll and sitting on crushed rock from when the dozer scraped off the top of the hill… no trees as the hard pan is just below the surface.

The electric use of 8 kWh per day is basically a freezer and refrigerator, a load of Saturday wash and mostly light cooking… lighting is LED.

The standard practice here when a home is sold is the Pest Control report will add foundation vents… never seen any removed or sealed.

Same with new roofs… continuous ridge vents an more eve vents for longevity of the roof.
 
   / Critter Proof Foundation Vent Screens? #17  
It took a crew of five working diligently 8+hours a day six days to do ours, but that included ripping out the old ducts, including duct boots. Unlike @2manyrocks, I'm going to suggest that this one is for the pros, at least until you've experienced a few. There's a lot to go wrong.

Like what?

Well the basic issue is that if you have dead space, you run the risk of humidity and mold. Then there is the potential issue of separate radon abatement below the membrane.

So before the vents are sealed, you have to get the under house drainage sorted out, perimeter drains if needed, barrier walls, sump pump, radon abatement, etc., then you need to put a water and vapor proof layer down. Standard LDPE is quite porous to water vapor, and won't cut it. There's inside of the foundation needs to be sealed, and then the membrane brought up to beyond the height of the perimeter foundation, and sealed to the house perimeter joist above the sill. Any obstacles, like piers and footings need to be sealed in the same way, and all of the floor seams need to be sealed with vapor barrier tape. Insulation can be added after the membrane is up, and then sealed both to prevent air intrusion, and to prevent cold spots that might be condensation points.

With that done, the vents are sealed, but the space needs to stay dry going forward. That means either a dehumidifier, and all that goes with it (power, drain pump, remote humidity monitor, overflow alarm, and noise isolation), or you need to divert some airflow from the house to keep the humidity down, and have a method for return air. Pros and cons to both. If one has a dehumidifier, a circulation fan is needed, but often not installed. I have never found dehumidifiers to be reliable, and constantly in need of maintenance. If I could have installed it in the space above, I might have considered it, but not in my crawlspace, but it depends on the access. If it is like @ultrarunner's 5' high space, with a drain, I think having a dehumidifier might be a different story. I don't, so I didn't put a dehumidifier in, but I did put multiple humidity and temperature monitors and we will see how it goes. So far it tracks the house closely, reinforcing the idea that there is a fair amount of air exchange between the inhabited space and the crawlspace.

@dieselscout80 there are arguments both ways on the insulation, but if it were me I would, and did, leave the insulation on. I wanted some control over how much heat or cooling was going into the space. I would bear in mind that most ducts have pitifully little insulation on them (R2-3.5 in many installations), so they are going to leak and absorb a fair amount of heat. If the crawlspace gets humid and you have uninsulated ducts, you run the risk of condensation, mold, and corrosion.

I have found one, repeat one, HVAC professional in my general area, which is not small, who can actually do an accurate Manual J. Seriously. After striking out, I gave up trying to find one, and then found an energy specialist who was also an architect, who actually knew how to do one. Most of the better HVAC folks load up a number of assumptions about "average homes" for your house and call it done. Might be close, but probably won't be. The typical person just eyeballs it. (X thousand sq.ft. mean Y tons of cooling and NN thousand BTUs of heating.) I would not consider doing one until after you have an accurate energy audit, and fixing all of the identified issues. So, by all means consider doing a Manual J, but GIGO. There's a great YouTube video by a couple of HVAC professionals that gets into why one should not trust a Manual J without getting quite a bit of specific data on the home from a series of other tests.

All the best,

Peter
I agree with Peter on Manual J calculations. While it is the gold standard and is required in many contracts, most HVAC folks here in KY simply don't normally do it. When I was doing calculations for an older home I was working on in KY, I bought the software and did it myself. It does take some time, but it's not that hard. My estimates for heat loss/gain were much more accurate than the pros. The results of those calculations give you a real baseline from which to proceed.

Why more pros don't run this calculation, like they used to, is beyond me. They give educated guesses, but they're still guesses...
 
   / Critter Proof Foundation Vent Screens? #18  
Most of the residential HVAC installers I've dealt with roughly estimate the tons required to heat and cool based on total square footage, but then oversize to make sure they aren't called back because of inadequate heating or cooling later. Then I've seen commercial installs where engineers refused to spec systems without first running pressure tests to determine actual building leakage.

As for Ultrarunner's situation, manual j probably doesn't matter if you live somewhere where it's sunny, 72 degrees F, and low humidity all the time.
 
   / Critter Proof Foundation Vent Screens? #19  
I was going to suggest 1/4" hardware cloth, but apparently your critters are more determined than ours. It keeps them out of the greenhouse here. Maybe double or triple layer it until you get a more permanent solution?
I have to agree with this suggestion. I live in the country and often have to fight off things that want to get inside ... I have used 1/4" hardware cloth for years, attached to a securely anchored frame to stop intrusions through vents.

I even stopped a determined groundhog once - while strong, they cease chewing when they hit steel... Unfortunately, they can tunnel under many foundations - then you use other means (Conibear traps).
 
   / Critter Proof Foundation Vent Screens?
  • Thread Starter
#20  
The pros in my experience upsize so no comebacks complaints not enough heat or cooling.

Brothers first home was cookie cutter 1948 slab tract home. Being on a slab he had no critter issues.

His wife wanted A/C so it fell to me.

Neighbors all had new electric service with new A/C… and the systems were all much larger.

What they didn’t do was pull interior sheet rock to insulate, replace all exterior windows and doors, add attic insulation and have a big shade tree to block summer afternoon heat.

We also put on a new roof and added lots of vents…

I went with a much smaller unit so no service upgrade and it worked beautifully and the variable blower provided gentle air flow… when he added on 320 square feet the unit still worked well as a set and forget…

Even the dealer said I was going too small based on what he had sold in the area…

It was a Tempstar and was 15 years old when they sold the place…

Now they have lots of critter encounters at the ranch but the owl boxes seem to really work…
 
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