Crude Oil

sneaky_pete · Mar 30, 2005

( One other news blip expressed it this way. If you traveled 1000 miles for vacation last year and wanted to do it again this year. It would cost you $60 more. Now, who would cancel a vacation over $60? Noone I'm guessing. Getting over that $2 a gallon mark hurts, but I think alot of it is psychological.)

I agree Moon; people pay twice that for drinking water in little bottles and no one complains about the evil bottlers and their excessive profit.

kensfarm · Mar 30, 2005

We'll just make our own oil! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

A factory in Carthage, Missouri, is turning the feathers and innards of the feted bird into a clean-burning fuel oil. Changing World Technologies (CWT), a New York environmental technology company that is behind the project, also has plans to turn the organic waste from chickens, cows, hogs, onions, and Parmesan cheese into light crude oil—and those are just the some of CWT's proposed ventures.

The company works such miracles through thermo-depolymerization (TDP), a process by which waste materials are broken down by intensive heat and pressure to produce natural gas, fuel oil, and minerals. The company's CEO, Brian Appel, says he can turn any type of carbon-based waste—be it computers or offal—into combustible fuel. But he admits many people are skeptical.

sneaky_pete · Mar 30, 2005

( My dread started after reading Hubbert's Peak a couple of years ago. Then when Ford announced about a year ago that their corporate strategy is based on no more cheap oil, I loaded up on oil stocks. Figured that Ford would be a likely victim of wishful thinking with their profitable fuel guzzlers and even they couldn't ignore the evidence. And now, OPEC has figured out that the world economy won't suffer from sustained higher crude prices.

Hope you guys in the energy sector can solve this because our politicians probably won't do much until we panic.)

You should do well on your oil stocks John. I've done very well with mine, and will be hanging on to them for a long time.

We're doing everything we can, despite the hinderance from politicians among others. People complain about Bush pandering to oil interests, but the truth is this country hasn't had a real (useful) energy policy of any kind since World War II, no matter which party or president has been in office. No politician wants to tell the public that we are addicted to cheap oil, and that the cure for this addicition will be expensive and drastic sooner or later.

sneaky_pete · Mar 30, 2005

( We'll just make our own oil! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

A factory in Carthage, Missouri, is turning the feathers and innards of the feted bird into a clean-burning fuel oil. Changing World Technologies (CWT), a New York environmental technology company that is behind the project, also has plans to turn the organic waste from chickens, cows, hogs, onions, and Parmesan cheese into light crude oil—and those are just the some of CWT's proposed ventures.

The company works such miracles through thermo-depolymerization (TDP), a process by which waste materials are broken down by intensive heat and pressure to produce natural gas, fuel oil, and minerals. The company's CEO, Brian Appel, says he can turn any type of carbon-based waste—be it computers or offal—into combustible fuel. But he admits many people are skeptical.
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I'm all for new ideas; good old American ingenuity and technology are the only things that can bail us out of the energy predicament we are in, IMO. The thing to watch out for in a lot of cases is the net energy gain (or loss). For example, it takes more energy to grow, harvest, and process soybeans into biodiesel than you get out of the produced diesel; a net loss. Same with splitting water molecules to get Hydrogen to run fuel cells. The "intensive heat and pressure" of the TDP process will require energy consumption - hopefully less than the amount of energy produced.

If CWT can convert waste into fuel economically, then more power to them (pun intended), and the marketplace will reward them handsomely. We need more ideas like this.

PhilNH5 · Mar 30, 2005

Kensfarm and Sneakpete,
Funny you should mention CWT. My brother is the plant manager for them at their pilot plant in the old Philadelphia Naval yard.
When he was considering working for them we did a lot of research about CWT. There is as much good as bad printed about CWT and the CEO. But according to my brother the technology works. He has spent months out in Carthage bringing them online.

I do not believe there is a net gain in energy as Pete warns about. But it is cost effective when you factor in the waste disposal costs of the poultry parts. So they have no waste disposal costs and get oil to heat the plant.

Phil

hazmat · Mar 30, 2005

The thing to watch out for in a lot of cases is the net energy gain (or loss).

These technologies won't be viable untill we invest in more nuclear power plants - electricity "so cheap we don't need to meter it".....

slowrev · Mar 30, 2005

The thing to watch out for in a lot of cases is the net energy gain (or loss)
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This will become less of an issue as the oil supplies dwindle in the future. It will become an issue of what can we make fuel out of more than if it is really efficient.

Ben

gotrocks · Mar 30, 2005

OK fellow TBNers I would like to hear your thoughts regarding this e-mail I received the other day.

 WHERE TO BUY YOUR GAS,

THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO KNOW.

READ ON--

The Saudis are boycotting American goods.

We should return the favor.

An interesting thought is to boycott their GAS.

Every time you fill up the car, you can avoid putting more money into the coffers of Saudi Arabia. Just buy from gas companies that don't import their oil from the Saudis.

Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I fill-up the tank, I am sending my money to people who are trying to kill me, my family, and
my friends.

I thought it might be interesting for you to know which oil companies are the best to buy gas from and which major companies import Middle Eastern oil :

Shell............................ 205,742,000 barrels
Chevron/Texaco......... 144,332,000 barrels
Exxon /Mobil............... 130,082,000 barrels
Marathon/Speedway... 117,740,000 barrels
Amoco............................62,231,000 barrels

If you do the math at $50/barrel, these imports amount to over $25 BILLION!

Here are some large companies that
do not import Middle Eastern oil:

Citgo.......................0 barrels
Sunoco...................0 barrels
Sinclair....................0 barrels
BP/Phillips..............0 barrels
Hess........................0 barrels
ARC0......................0 barrels

All of this information is available from the Department of
Energy and each is required to state where they get their oil and how much they are importing.

But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of gas buyers.

It's really simple to do.

Now, don't wimp out at this point... keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!!

I'm sending this note to about thirty people.

If each of you send it to at least
ten more (30 x 10 = 300)... and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000) and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers!

If those three million get excited friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted!
If it goes one level further, you guessed it ..... THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!

Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people.
How long would all that take?
If each of us sends this e-mail out to ten more people
within one day, all 300 MILLION people could
conceivably be contacted within the next eight days!

Bird · Mar 30, 2005

( like to hear your thoughts regarding this e-mail )

My thoughts? Another hoax. Try reading this.

Highbeam · Mar 30, 2005

A whole different thread is how nuclear power could bail us out of the energy crisis. How much petroleum do we burn to produce electricity compared to transportation? Vehicles can be, and are, run on natural gas, propane, diesel, gasoline, almost every part of the crude oil barrel. Even coal oil or dust.

With free electricity from the atom and an ocean full of bound up hydrogen, we have an alternative. Don't go giving up your lifestyle to save me from myself, it will just slow down the inevitable.

Oil will become more expensive unless/until we begin to utilize a different fuel source. Then there will be a huge oversupply and cost will come down. Then we may start back up with using petroleum fuel. Almost a cycle.

The people who are supposed to know have been telling us that we will run out of oil any day, they also tried to convince us that we would be converted to metric. I say bahuey to the experts.

Cheers