Culvert

[TonyF]

I need 40' of 24" Concrete culvert installed along a county road. The county commissioners office normally does these low dollar jobs on the right of ways, but can not do this one. I've been thinking about tackling it myself. The only issue is the culvert might be too much for my B21 to handle, its 2400 lbs per 8 foot section. Any advice/comments?

Thanks

Tony

 

[MMagis]

Rent equipment big enough, or don't do it. Your tractor is no where near large enough.

 

[schmism]

why RCP?

if you have 2' of cover (and your paying for it) just use DWP instead.

2 guys can easily handle one 20' section and you only need 2.

 

[TonyF]

Thanks, yes my goal is to NOT do this myself.

For some reason, the county only allows concrete pipe in their right of ways, otherwise I would definitely use the metal or plastic pipe - it would be a simple job.

 

[Wooddust]

Thanks, yes my goal is to NOT do this myself.

For some reason, the county only allows concrete pipe in their right of ways, otherwise I would definitely use the metal or plastic pipe - it would be a simple job.

Gotta love government.

 

[Treesanddust]

Have you shopped around for the culvert? The place that I buy my concrete culvert from has 24" in 3 foot and 4 foot lengths. If you can use and find shorter sections that would make it easier to work with.

 

[schmism]

Thanks, yes my goal is to NOT do this myself.

For some reason, the county only allows concrete pipe in their right of ways, otherwise I would definitely use the metal or plastic pipe - it would be a simple job.

well.... its simple.... if their 24" RCP is failing... and they wont replace it.... put your own 24" DWP in and when they dont like it they can come replace it with there own RCP.

easier to ask forgiveness than permission....

 

[clemsonfor]

yea you should be able to get 4 ft concrete sections. I would use a metal tar dipped pipe w/flares. Some municipalities dont like the metal especially with out the safty flares ( the ramp things on the ends with the metal bars perpindicular to the dictch over them) b/c if a car runs off the road the pipe can cut the car in two. Would it happen, proably not esp on a 24" pipe, a 4 ft pipe and a car going 100mph, maybe.

 

[LD1]

well.... its simple.... if their 24" RCP is failing... and they wont replace it.... put your own 24" DWP in and when they dont like it they can come replace it with there own RCP.

easier to ask forgiveness than permission....

I have to agree with this. Either that or dont do it at all.

I would really like a little more informatin on your situation here.

All you say is that they "cannot do this one" WHY??

Are they making you replace it or are you just taking it upon yoursellf??

What is wrong with what is existing?? Why do you want to replace??

Details, details, details

 

[TonyF]

Tough crowd

Its new culvert,, there is nothing there now but a ditch which I can't get across (unless perhaps I get a long running start )

The county has a dollar ceiling on the work they can do for a private landowner in any given year. This project will exceed that ceiling, since its pretty low - $1K. It keeps the County out of the construction business I guess.

It gets better, the County sized the culvert and told me what I need but there are no immediate permit or inspection requirements for just the culvert. The building inspector will come out and inspect the entire project, (read house) after its finished, so some months/years from now if they don't like it, I could be ripping out the culvert - something I'd like to avoid.

I'd like the County to install it, in that way if something is wrong in the future I have better recourse. But, right now I'm waiting on some quotes form local contractors - well, those that will call me back. I'm charging the defibrillator while I wait.

 

[clemsonfor]

can you pay the county for their time to install it over their threshold so that your sure its to their liking?

The other thing is to broaden the ditch so not so steep and fill with 57 stone like a low water crossing till u get it figured out.

 

[schmism]

have them supply the pipe and you install....

 

[AlanB]

I went the other way, I supplied the pipe, and the county installed. I think I caught the guy on a good day

My neighbor across the street was wearing him out, so the hoe and trucks were there, and I had the pipe. I asked nicely and they installed it, then graveled it, then decided it should be longer and they went and got an extension to the pipe and added it and more gravel

One of the few times things have worked like that for me.

 

[TonyF]

If things don't pan out with the contractor, that is the approach I'll try next, me purchasing the pipe and the County installing it.

Thanks for the suggestions!

 

[TonyF]

can you pay the county for their time to install it over their threshold so that your sure its to their liking?

....

I wish, I have to pay up to their threshold, nothings free with them.

 

[BruceWard]

I have set two 20' 18" plastic culverts with my B21. Digging out for and covering the culvert works just fine with the B21. The issue I see is the weight of the concrete culvert. Our B21's will lift 1000 pounds to full height. There is no way that it would unload or place the 8' concrete sections. They most it would do is roll them into the hole.

Why not do any necessary excavation then have the county install the culvert sections then cover it yourself. Would that get you below your annual limit?

 

[catfishdaddyengineering]

That is what is so crazy about government. They are all different. I just got a culvert put in at my land in Chilton Co, AL. I had to pay for the pipe, and they installed it with gravel all the way down into a little ways in my land (Just what they had left in the dump truck). They required 18" x 24', and it was $340. I thought that was a good deal.

 

[firedog]

That is what is so crazy about government. They are all different. I just got a culvert put in at my land in Chilton Co, AL. I had to pay for the pipe, and they installed it with gravel all the way down into a little ways in my land (Just what they had left in the dump truck). They required 18" x 24', and it was $340. I thought that was a good deal.

That's the way it is here. you buy the pipe; they install and backfill.

 

[TonyF]

I thought about trying to roll it in into place, but the ends are male/female and need to fit together, I could also see it getting away and me chasing it with the B21

I got in touch with a contractor recommended by my son in law this weekend. The contractor is going to install it, he states its just a few hours, then he will start clearing the land until he reaches his minimum time. Job should be done tomorrow, Weds at the latest. All in all the best solution.

Thanks everyone.