Custom hydraulic backhoe thumb

   / Custom hydraulic backhoe thumb #51  
I basically copied dfkrug . . . using an SV08 on a BH77 hoe. Works just great, but does take a few minuted to get used to. As df said, the cylinder facing the least resistance works first/fastest. This means that when you want to pick something up, and place either bucket or thumb on or near the object, that's pretty much where it gets grabbed. i.e. if the bucket teeth are on the ground, the thumb is coming over to meet it! To pick up a large rock or chunk of concrete that would be too big for the bucket alone, simply curl the bucket under it, then activate the thumb to hold it in position. It's amazing what you can pick up that way!

I'd have to say that dfkrug really did come up with a simple, straightforward, and relatively inexpensive way to hydraulicize a mechanical thumb and add a bunch of usefulness in the process. Thanks!

bumper
 
   / Custom hydraulic backhoe thumb #52  
Any hindering when you are reaching for objects at full reach for the backhoe which would require the bucket to be fully open and the thumb fully extended to grab an object?

Any of you guys with these setups have any action videos?

ac
 
   / Custom hydraulic backhoe thumb #53  
Any hindering when you are reaching for objects at full reach for the backhoe which would require the bucket to be fully open and the thumb fully extended to grab an object?

Any of you guys with these setups have any action videos?

ac

If I understand your question correctly, to position the thumb fully extended with bucket fully open would require you to touch the bucket teeth or edge against the ground (or other object) and then fully extend thumb. Then de-energize thumb solenoid and fully open bucket. I've done this, but in most instances it is both quicker and easier to touch bucket against item to be grabbed and then energize solenoid and extend thumb. Sounds complicated, but it becomes second nature quickly.

No vids, and the box scraper is on the tractor at the moment, some thoughts . . .

Operating with curl and thumb cylinders in parallel (with momentary switch to lock or unlock thumb cylinder - I use a push button switch on right joystick)

a) Whichever has the least resistance to movement will move first; This means that with the dipper stick just "hanging there" if you move the joy stick to uncurl (extend) the bucket, the thumb will move to it's "stowed" position first - this is due to the heavier bucket having to move against gravity. i.e. the lighter thumb retracts first, then the bucket uncurls or extends fully. If you then release the button (de-energizing the solenoid valve and locking thumb cylinder) the the hoe is ready for normal digging with the thumb tucked up and out of the way.

If you the want to pick something up from the thumb "put away" position, there are a couple of basic ways to proceed. Curl bucket, and/or move bucket with dipper, towards or against "something" and push the "thumb button" while continuing to curl the bucket. The bucket will stop or slow when it comes up against resistance - the thumb will then swing into position against the object and both thumb and bucket exert increasing pressure together upon object. Alternately or in combination with the above, you can leave thumb partially extended and use bucket against pre-positioned thumb (as one would do with a mechanical thumb. Or use a combination of the above, positioning thumb for best advantage.

b) Once the bucket and thumb are in contact and exerting pressure on an object, one cannot move both thumb and bucket in harmony (i.e. curling bucket while retracting thumb together) to "swing" or position object - further positioning can only be accomplished using other backhoe functions, dipper, boom, or swing. I practice, this isn't really much of a functional limitation.

c) In use, the "follow the leader" or "me too" operation of thumb and bucket quickly becomes instinctive and natural, though I had my doubts at first as it seemed a little clumsy as I tried to pick something up with finesse.

bumper
 
   / Custom hydraulic backhoe thumb #56  
It'll work, though it's bigger than the SV8 I used. For details, see: http://www.hydraforce.com/Solenoid/Sol-pdf/1-016-1.pdf

BTW, the ebay price looks to be about what retail would be brick and mortar. Only problem is that this valve is hard to find "in stock". I paid $45 each for the two SV8's I bought.

bumper
 
   / Custom hydraulic backhoe thumb #57  
It'll work, though it's bigger than the SV8 I used. For details, see: http://www.hydraforce.com/Solenoid/Sol-pdf/1-016-1.pdf

BTW, the ebay price looks to be about what retail would be brick and mortar. Only problem is that this valve is hard to find "in stock". I paid $45 each for the two SV8's I bought.

bumper

Yeah, I liked that this valve is rated much closer to the gpm my machine will produce.

I saw the price was close to retail, but it seems much easier than making a dozen phone calls.

What did you use the 2nd valve for?

It looks like I already have someone to split these with.
 
   / Custom hydraulic backhoe thumb #58  
Yeah, I liked that this valve is rated much closer to the gpm my machine will produce.

I saw the price was close to retail, but it seems much easier than making a dozen phone calls.

What did you use the 2nd valve for?

It looks like I already have someone to split these with.

Second one is a spare - not that I'll ever need it :c). For my app, on the BH77, I'm happy with the smaller valve as it works nicely and mounts in tightly out of harms way*. From the thumb's speed, flow is not an issue as it nicely matches the curl - gravity excepting of course.

The port on my cylinder is SAE O-ring, as is the valve. I was able to find a 90 degree SAE O-ring to SAE O-ring fitting at discount hydraulic hose (not shown in photo). I used 1/4" hose (for it's tighter radius and flexibility) with 3/8 JIC fittings. The whole installation tucked in nicely and looks clean. This photo shows the valve install with a JIC to SAE O-ring 90 as the right fitting was not in stock) so now it's even cleaner than shown in this photo - though I did have to take *everything* apart to get the SAE to SAE 90 installed - - one of those "gotta remove this, this and this in order to thread in this" things.



I am still going to remove the thumb cylinder yet again, cut off the mounting tube and weld in a 1/2 inch extension to make it just right. Quite usable as is, but **** is me I guess.

bumper
 
   / Custom hydraulic backhoe thumb #59  
Second one is a spare - not that I'll ever need it :c). For my app, on the BH77, I'm happy with the smaller valve as it works nicely and mounts in tightly out of harms way*. From the thumb's speed, flow is not an issue as it nicely matches the curl - gravity excepting of course.

The port on my cylinder is SAE O-ring, as is the valve. I was able to find a 90 degree SAE O-ring to SAE O-ring fitting at discount hydraulic hose (not shown in photo). I used 1/4" hose (for it's tighter radius and flexibility) with 3/8 JIC fittings. The whole installation tucked in nicely and looks clean. This photo shows the valve install with a JIC to SAE O-ring 90 as the right fitting was not in stock) so now it's even cleaner than shown in this photo - though I did have to take *everything* apart to get the SAE to SAE 90 installed - - one of those "gotta remove this, this and this in order to thread in this" things.

I am still going to remove the thumb cylinder yet again, cut off the mounting tube and weld in a 1/2 inch extension to make it just right. Quite usable as is, but **** is me I guess.

bumper

Bumper,

Did you check out the actual dimensions? The SV10 is almost identical in size. 1/2" difference is the largest change in dimension. The overall length is 1/2" longer and the diameter of the coil is about 1/2" larger. I'm not anticipating this making any arguable difference.

I don't really know what happens long term when you run a valve at 3 times it's rated flow rate (your machine isn't quite this dramatic of a difference). Since I found the SV10 so easily on Ebay I am not even going to worry about it.

I like your plumbing, and I plan to copy it. I took some pics of my curl connections:





The lower connection is obvious, how did you route the upper?

ac
 
   / Custom hydraulic backhoe thumb #60  
Second one is a spare - not that I'll ever need it :c). For my app, on the BH77, I'm happy with the smaller valve as it works nicely and mounts in tightly out of harms way*. From the thumb's speed, flow is not an issue as it nicely matches the curl - gravity excepting of course.

The port on my cylinder is SAE O-ring, as is the valve. I was able to find a 90 degree SAE O-ring to SAE O-ring fitting at discount hydraulic hose (not shown in photo). I used 1/4" hose (for it's tighter radius and flexibility) with 3/8 JIC fittings. The whole installation tucked in nicely and looks clean. This photo shows the valve install with a JIC to SAE O-ring 90 as the right fitting was not in stock) so now it's even cleaner than shown in this photo - though I did have to take *everything* apart to get the SAE to SAE 90 installed - - one of those "gotta remove this, this and this in order to thread in this" things.



I am still going to remove the thumb cylinder yet again, cut off the mounting tube and weld in a 1/2 inch extension to make it just right. Quite usable as is, but **** is me I guess.

bumper

Looks nicely installed. I'm not so sure about "out of harms way" however. Anything mounted on the boom, especially on the underside, has a risk of being damaged. Why not mount the valve under the operator's station and just run 1/4" hose to the cylinder from there? That would also eliminate the need to run electrical wires out to the boom.
 

Tractor & Equipment Auctions

2016 Dodge Charger Sedan (A44572)
2016 Dodge Charger...
Pallet of (8) 10 Lug Misc Wheels (A44391)
Pallet of (8) 10...
2018 Chevrolet Impala Sedan (A44572)
2018 Chevrolet...
2023 Chevrolet Tahoe FL SUV (A44572)
2023 Chevrolet...
43030 (A44571)
43030 (A44571)
2020 Ford Escape SE SUV (A44572)
2020 Ford Escape...
 
Top