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bigpete

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Amazing...

I removed and relocated my asphalt driveway and am in the process of planting trees where the old driveway was. Sunday afternoon, I am on my last hole of the day and I notice a black cable sticking up out of the hole only about 10 inches into the maual excavation. I think to myself.... "Hey, self. The lady who built this house must have had power run out to the end of the driveway for lights, or somesuch extravagence." /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif Upon closer inspection, I see the second worse set of letters you can see on a severed cable: "AT&T." (The worst, of course is the three letters standing for "<Something> Power and Light")

Low and behold, the phone line to my house had been underneath the MIDDLE of the paved asphalt driveway that I recently removed.

Yes, I know, I know. I should have called "Miss Utility," the utility location clearinghouse for my area. What makes this so amazing, is that I HAVE called Miss Utility four times in the past five years and NEVER has the phone company marked anywhere near that driveway. In fact, they have always marked a line about 100 yards away.

So...the repair guy shows up today, and I see several hundred dollars flash before my eyes as he pulls into my new driveway. Putting on my most sincere demeanor I let him know I can save him some time by showing him the cut. As we walk closer to the holes in the middle of my yard, he keeps looking back toward his green junction box with a werid look on his face. Finally we arrive, and he exclaims "What the he!! is your phone line doing over here?" My answer was, of course, "How should I know, you're the phone guy!" We both chuckled for a second and he then realizes that the line had also been smack, dab in the middle of an old paving bed, furthering his confusion. After a few minutes on the phone (his cell, of course), he learned that the install had taken place during some strike period back in the late eighties when a "subcontractor" had laid the line when the house construction had begun.

Needless to say, there were no charges. He told me that there is now a note on my account about being one of the first to be upgraded if ever there is a new wire technology or infrastructure upgrade in the works. I'm sure it will happen right after I have put some landscaping project or laid grass seed right in their path.

I hope the power lines are where they keep marking them /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
 
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I think that the best thing to do is to take some measurements from the corners of the house to where the new line is laid and draw it out as a map that you keep with other important papers. I have a photo album with my building permits, septic lay out dimensions and other important diagrams to refer to. As for the electrical line, I would contact the power company and have them come out and clearly mark them for you. If you can be there, then get out the backhoe or shovel and verify the accuracy of the location. If it isn't where they marked it, then have them do the research as to the proper location. It is easier to have this done when there is plenty of time to get it done, than to have to find it by accident when it isn't where you thought. Also, there is the safety factor involved if you hit a hot wire. You might not have to pay for the repair to the wire, but what about the repair to you or your tractor. I don't know if they would be responsible, besides, even if they are responsible, if you were killed as a result, the payment that they would make won't help you or your family. I am certain that they would rather have you than any amount of money...... well almost certain.. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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Oh, they have properly marked all the lines in the past , but the phone company had no idea where its line was until I found it. Apparently, they had been following some other cable line tracking from their box.

Good idea on the map.
 
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Don't feel bad.. check this out. When my house was being built back in 99, the general contractor had a heck of a time with the power, catv, and tele company doing anyhting on time. ( we have to have buried utils in my neighborhood.. no above ground house connects.. ) anyway.. it got to the point that the GC needed to pour the driveway. One of the co's said that would be in their way... ( I don't see how... wasn't a staright line. ) In any case.. my GC laid 3 chase pipes in the driveway... told the 3 compaines they were 'free' to use them. To which they did. Only catch was that catv came in last, and as they pushed the line in the ground fromthe driveway to the wall.. they went zig-zag and cut the phone line that had just been put in earlier. PH co had to come back and lay ythe line yet again....

Also.. I work for a GC doing road work. We reworked some 50-60 yr old road sin an old community. Pipe and wire plans wew 100% wrong. in many cases.. utilities were running right downt he middle of the road.

Found lots of not-up-to-code things.. even one tat stopped the job for a while. One water line was asbestos coated.. etc.

That stuff was sopposed to be pulled years ago.. go figure!

Soundguy
 
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The life expectancy of the asbestos water pipe was supposed to be about 25 years. There are still many communities that still have it in place and are using it even though it is long over due to be replaced. As long as the water test does show that it is deteriorated to the point where it is a health risk, it isn't going to come out of the ground. Too expensive to replace it all today unless there is a reason to do so. I have a friend that drilled a well when the water went right in front of his place because he didn't want to use the asbestos water line. The town tried to stop the well drilling until he told them that if they did, he would "let the cat out of the bag". They relented then, because they knew that it would cost many $$$$$ to replace a old system from the 1950's.
 
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Junkman
At a house I owned 10 years ago, I remember a time when work was being done on the utilities in the street when apparently some damage was done to the water main. the person in charge instructed all the workers out of the hole because the water main was asbestos and that he would deal with cutting and removing the damaged section of pipe and didn’t want to put anyone else at risk. When the damaged section was removed it could not go to a regular dump it had to be disposed of at a hazardous waste dump site.

Now I found it somewhat disturbing that a piece of asbestos pipe is too dangerous to go to a regular dump, presumably because the asbestos could work it’s way into the water table, but it’s OK to supply the bay area with water through asbestos pipe. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Huge sections of the bay area are still today being supplied water through asbestos pipe. I’m sure the people that live there don’t know anything about that.
Fred
 
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What makes this so amazing, is that I HAVE called Miss Utility four times in the past five years and NEVER has the phone company marked anywhere near that driveway. In fact, they have always marked a line about 100 yards away.
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<font color="#666666">I recently replaced a drain pipe that is in my left side yard.
I called the utility locater CO.
The phone company marked a phone line that ran from a pole in my front yard to the house this is a dead no longer used line.
They did not mark the line that replaced that old line a few years ago. I wanted it marked because it crossed the old drainage pipe twice.

The Main phone line runs under the state highway from a pole across the road then up through my front yard to a junction box on the base of the pole in my front yard. This junction box serves several of my neighbors.
The phone CO didn't mark this cable but it didn't matter as the drain pipe I replaced along the side yard wasn't anywhere near this area.
This cable has to cross the road ditch somewhere so now that I'm eliminating the road ditch by installing 80' of driveway culvert I need to know where that cable is as the culvert will definitely be crossing the phone companies cable.



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An asbestos water pipe is probably very safe. Asbestos is only dangerous in a "friable" state, that means asbestos dust floating in the air where you breathe it into your lungs where the small fibers get trapped.

One method of removing asbestos is to wet it down, the water prevents the asbestos from floating in the air and being breathed. Thus, a water pipe made of asbestos is only dangerous when you cut it or if scrape some of the asbestos off the outside and breathe it.

The whole asbestos scare was overblown. More damage was done removing it than it ever caused.

The only proven cases of asbestosis were in people who worked with it every day or in the plants that used in to manufacture products.

Another overblown scare brought to you by the American Bar Assoc.

I used to build water pump stations and asbestos is the last thing I worry about being in the water pipes. Once pulled an existing valve and an empty very rusty oil can was in the line.

Bill Tolle
 
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are you claiming that water containing asbestos is safe to drink????
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( The whole asbestos scare was overblown. More damage was done removing it than it ever caused.

The only proven cases of asbestosis were in people who worked with it every day or in the plants that used in to manufacture products.

Another overblown scare brought to you by the American Bar Assoc.)</font>

Yup.



As for the water being safe... Dunno, but maybe we should ask, which kind of asbestos is it? There are TWO kinds (long fiber and short fiber) and only the short fiber kind has ever been shown to be harmful to anyone. (And only when breathed a LOT, as mentioned above.) And most of what's out there is the long fiber kind.


Of course, that little detail was incovenient to the ambulance chasers, so it hasn't gotten much press.
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( </font><font color="blueclass=small">( The whole asbestos scare was overblown. More damage was done removing it than it ever caused.

The only proven cases of asbestosis were in people who worked with it every day or in the plants that used in to manufacture products.

Another overblown scare brought to you by the American Bar Assoc.)</font>

Yup.
As for the water being safe... Dunno, but maybe we should ask, which kind of asbestos is it? There are TWO kinds (long fiber and short fiber) and only the short fiber kind has ever been shown to be harmful to anyone. (And only when breathed a LOT, as mentioned above.) And most of what's out there is the long fiber kind.
Of course, that little detail was incovenient to the ambulance chasers, so it hasn't gotten much press.
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<font color="red"> The following is a copy of the E-Mail I just received from my brother who is disabled from asbestos.
He has been on oxygen 24/7 for the last 4 or 5 years.
<font color="green"> Tell him it was an overblown scare. </font> </font>
<font color="purple"> Asbestosis
Asbestosis


Dean Bartholomew

Andrea Gainey

Wason Louie

Charlie Phillips

Noel Sonnek

Asbestosis

Historical Aspects

Asbestos is a group of silicate fibers with a crystalline structure. These naturally occurring fibers have been mined and used for about the last 100 years with peak use in the 1970's. At that time adverse health effects were widely associated with the use of asbestos. Although asbestos use has drastically declined in the United States, it continues to be used in developing countries. Of importance is the fact that the negative health effects associated with asbestos may take years to develop. Thus, workers exposed years ago and even people within close contact of workers (family members who may inhale asbestos fibers from worker's clothing) may begin to encounter the symptoms of asbestos-related disease today.

Asbestos is a serious threat to one's health because it can cause severe forms of lung disease. One form of disease and the topic of this pamphlet is asbestosis. Asbestosis is a fibrosis or scarring of the lung tissue. The lung is made of a delicate tissue which allows the blood to pick up oxygen and drop off carbon dioxide. As can be imagined, scarring of the lung tissue decreases the ability of the lung to exchange these gases. Second, one's chances of developing a tumor or cancer of the lung is five times greater than normal if exposed to asbestos. If the lung is also subjected to the deleterious effects of smoking on top of the asbestos exposure, one's chance of developing cancer is about 55 times greater than normal.

Incidence and Cause

When people inhale air, it always contains small particles. These particles have to be filtered out because the lungs need to remain sterile. The nose and the bronchi (the airways leading down to the lungs) are the main air filters for the lungs. Asbestos particles (called amphiboles) are long, extremely thin, microscopic glass-like fibers that are not filtered by the nose or the bronchi because they are so thin and light. Asbestosis development starts when a person inhales an amphibole. This particle travels deep into the lungs to one of the 300 million gas exchanging structures called an alveolus. Each alveolus has many cleaning cells called macrophages that eat up any particles that made it down to the alveoli. Unfortunately the macrophages can not eat the amphibole because it is too long, but they still try. In trying to eat this particle the macrophage essentially cuts itself open and the digestive molecules that were contained inside the macrophage have now spilled on the alveolus. These molecules injure the alveolus and cause it to form a scar. This scarring formation is called fibrosis. The same amphibole that could not be eaten attracts other macrophages from neighboring areas. They try to eat the particle and also fail, and this further damages the lungs. In reality, people who are exposed to asbestos inhale hundreds and thousands of amphiboles, which causes large-scale injury. Such large-scale injury is when major lung damage (fibrosis) develops and is named "Asbestosis" after the disease-causing particle. Asbestosis is found in people who are chronically exposed to asbestos material. Those who are at the highest risk are the people who directly handle asbestos material at their job. This group includes vehicle mechanics, construction workers, shipyard workers, electricians and other workers in the building trades. Of importance to workers in the United States is the fact that old asbestos can be encountered during refurbishing and demolition of old buildings or other structures in which asbestos is still found. Exposure to asbestos is not limited to those who directly handle the material. The painter who works with the construction worker or the construction worker's wife who shakes out her husband's clothes have also been known to be at risk for developing asbestosis. A study conducted on Finnish asbestos workers who either worked construction for ten years or worked in shipyards for one year showed that 22% of the workers showed signs of asbestosis development. If one examines the entire population of a country instead of just those at high risk, Asbestosis is a relatively uncommon disease.

Signs and Symptoms

The signs and symptoms of asbestosis can show up many years after the asbestos exposure has ended. Manifestations rarely occur less than 10 years following first exposure and are more common after 20 years or more.

Symptoms (what a patient with asbestosis will experience)

a.. Shortness of breath.
b.. Asbestosis has been called a monosymptomatic disease because the earliest, most consistently reported, and most distressing symptom is shortness of breath.
c.. Occurs with heavy effort and then progressively diminishing levels of effort as the disease becomes worse.
d.. Persistent and productive cough.
e.. Almost as common as the shortness of breath.
f.. Often occurs with distressing spasms.
Other symptoms include:

a.. Chest tightness, Chest pain, General ill feeling, Fitful sleep, Hemoptysis, Appetite loss.
Signs (what your doctor will look for with asbestosis)

a.. Basal crackles or rales. When a stethoscope is used to listen to the lower lungs, you can hear what sounds like Velcro opening up.
b.. An early distinctive feature of asbestosis.
c.. Usually heard first over the basal regions.
d.. Persistent (unaffected by coughing)
e.. Precise timing (at first, mid to late inspiration and eventually during most of inspiration)
f.. High pitched quality.
g.. Small irregular opacities on X-ray (Looks like ground glass).
h.. Obscures normal lung vasculature.
i.. Usually first seen in the lower lateral lobes in between the rib shadows.
j.. Borders of the heart, particularly the left side may be obscured.
k.. Pulmonary function tests usually show restrictive disease but can also show obstructive and mixed disorders. This means that your lungs will lose the ability to breathe.
l.. Reduced diffusion capacity.
m.. Reduce lung volumes and capacities
n.. Reduced flow rates.
a.. Clubbing of fingers and toes. Swelling of the fingers and toes due to excess blood accumulating there.
None of these symptoms are specific. Something as benign as the common cold could also give you these symptoms. Keep in mind that asbestosis is a chronic progressive disease meaning that once these symptoms start, they generally do not get better. Fortunately, the disease progresses slowly giving your doctor time to catch it.

Treatment and Prevention

Treatment

Unfortunately, there currently is no cure for asbestosis. The treatment involves preventing further complications of the disease and treating its symptoms.

Prevention

A patient with asbestosis must first prevent any further contact with asbestos and if they are a smoker they should be advised to quit.

The asbestosis patient should receive aggressive medical care for any respiratory infection, with frequent use of antibiotics when warranted. Vaccinations for the flu and pnuemococcus should be kept up to date. They should also participate in respiratory therapies such as bronchial drainage or the use of an ultrasonic mist humidifier that assist in the clearing of secretions from the lungs. Patients should avoid situations that may expose them to respiratory infections such as large crowds. These steps should help to avoid the complications of serious lung infections. Finally, the asbestosis patient should undergo regular chest x-rays to screen for cancers associated with asbestosis.

Symptomatic Treatment

Shortness of breath is treated with bronchodilators that open up the bronchial tubes and allow passage of air. The patient may also receive supplemental oxygen. Respiratory treatments that remove secretions from the lung through postural drainage may also be used.

Productive cough is treated with humidifiers, breathing therapies and chest percussion. These therapies loosen and thin out bronchial secretions allowing them to be expelled by the cough. Chest pain can be treated with normal over the counter drugs such as acetaminophen or ibuprofen.

Prognosis

Once asbestosis has been established by findings on chest X-ray, regression of the disease is rare. The disease may remain unchanged, but it is generally slowly progressive due to accumulating damage caused by asbestos fibers in the lung. Rapid progression after the onset of symptoms is rare. Evidence of progression as seen on chest X-ray may require comparison of chest X-rays taken as many as 4-6 years apart.

There are several factors that determine progression, including the level and duration of exposure to asbestos, cumulative exposure, the type of asbestos fiber, and according to some studies, the status of the chest X-ray at the time of diagnosis. Progression will occur even in the absence of further exposure to asbestos, and it will likely be accelerated in the face of continued exposure.

As the disease progresses, the individual's shortness of breath becomes more pronounced. The shortness of breath initially experienced during heavy effort will be produced by lower levels of effort. It will eventually interfere with the ability to carry out everyday activities, and the individual may require oxygen. The end result of progression is failure of the lungs and eventual heart failure, resulting from the stress being placed on the heart.

Increased risk of infection may be a complication of asbestosis, although tuberculosis is uncommon. Individuals with asbestosis are at a considerably increased risk for developing lung cancer and other cancers associated with asbestos exposure, including mesothelioma and bronchogenic carcinoma.

There are certain measures a patient can take to slow the progression of the disease and prolong life. As mentioned previously, one way is to avoid further exposure to asbestos. Another thing is to stop smoking. Smoking may increase the rate of disease progression, and it definitely increases the risk of developing lung cancer.

Severe asbestosis is becoming a less common cause of death. More people are dying of other causes before their asbestosis progresses beyond the mild to moderate stage.



Works Cited

Fig.1 "Respiratory System Web Quiz 2". Creighton University School of Medicine Web Site.

http://medicine.creighton.edu/medschool/M2courseware/RespiratoryStuff/RespQuiz2/RespQuiz2.html



Fig.2 "Malignant Pleural Mesothelioma". Radiological Society of North America Web Site.

http://www.rsna.org/REG/publications/rg/afip/privateM/1996/0016/0003/0613/F3aA.htm
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