Cutting and Bailing Hay

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I'm no farmer and am curious. We have two new threads today about preparing the field planting hay, now I'm wondering......for a very small operation what is the smallest implements for cutting and bailing hay on the market. I'd like to see what is available and how small a tractor you could get away with. :confused:
 
/ Cutting and Bailing Hay #3  
Hay was cut for years using sicle bar mowers on tractors like the farmall cub at under 15 HP. Sicle bars are relatively cheap and do not require much power. There are even some old ground driven sicle's available if you look hard enough. Rakes and Tedders are a dime a dozen and ground driven ones are easy to find and even PTO driven ones don't require much power. We raked 5000 bales per year with a 23 hp 8N for years and Years. The Baler is the hard part. With small windrows and reasonable speeds you can run an old baler with a 30 hp tractor but a little more would be better. There are also small baler available at www.smallfarminnovations.com, although I have never seen them or tried one out. A friend of mine actually mowes his hay with a bush hog and although it is chopped a little finer he swears by it. On the farm (50 head Dairy plus sell about 300 tons per year) we mowed with a 80 HP tractor Tedd and rake with a 45 HP and Baled with a 80 HP tractor.

Bottom line I would feel comfortable with a 30 HP tractor if you are not in a hurry 45 would be better if you could swing it. In todays day and age of bigger and better I am sure others will have different opinions.
 
/ Cutting and Bailing Hay #4  
I'm no farmer and am curious. We have two new threads today about preparing the field planting hay, now I'm wondering......for a very small operation what is the smallest implements for cutting and bailing hay on the market. I'd like to see what is available and how small a tractor you could get away with. :confused:

I have 10 acres--6 acres available for a hayfield. So I qualify as "very small". All my haying stuff is used. Very few small haying operations can afford the price of new haying equipment.

Mowing: I have three sicklebars--

---a 7-ft 3pt hitch variety (a Massey Ferguson 41, $550 at a local auction a few months ago)

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---a 7-ft pull type sicklebar (Allis Chalmers 80T, $150 from a neighbor)

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The 80T is shown attached to my 2008 Mahindra 5525 (54 hp engine, 45 hp pto) which is overkill for this mower. I could easily handle it with the 1951 Minneapolis Moline BF (27 hp engine) that I'm restoring now. Same goes for the MF-41 sicklebar

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--- a Farmall Super A (23 hp engine, 18 hp pto) with a 6-ft mid-mount sicklebar mower ($1300). CalTrans used this mower for highway mowing.

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My baler is a Massey Ferguson 124 two-twine small square baler

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The MF-124 baler is speced at 30 hp pto (min), but there's a YouTube video showing this size baler being operated by a Super A.

YouTube - FARMALL Super A

Of course, mowing and baling are only part of the haying story. You need tillage, planting, spraying and bale handling equipment also.
 
/ Cutting and Bailing Hay #8  
I'd think about making stacks rather than bales for a small field. We used a sickle mower and a dump rake to put in windrows. Then piled it into stacks either in the field or on wagons to haul to the barn. I guess you could make a pile in the back of a pickup. There's a trick to making stacks in the field so they shed water properly, if you don't do it right they can get moldy or start themselves on fire. But to answer your question, even the smallest tractors can operate a sickle mower and a dump rake. Put some forks on the front bucket and lift whatever amount you can, as high as you can. We had special hay forks for the tractor that had wooden tines and stuck out very far in front so you got a lot higher lift and could make really tall stacks.
 
/ Cutting and Bailing Hay #9  
I bought a 9' haybine, a large round baler and a tedder (all used) and cut my hay with my L3010 (30HP). Although I was warned I'd destroy the tractor and probably kill myself, I had no problem at all with such a small tractor.

Probably if I had a lot of hills it would be challenging. Also, at the time I didn't hay a haywagon, and pulling a fully loaded hay wagon with a small tractor is dangerous.

Besides that, as noted, the need for power comes when you want to plant or re-seed. You can pay somebody to prep your field, if you want.
 
/ Cutting and Bailing Hay #10  
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The CCM T135 Drum mower needs only 20 PTO Hp and will mow any hay crop in any conditions as fast as a you can ride your tractor.
 
/ Cutting and Bailing Hay #11  
The MF-124 baler is speced at 30 hp pto (min), but there's a YouTube video showing this size baler being operated by a Super A.

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Good Mornin Ray,
Thanks for that great video, I really enjoyed that ! :)
 
/ Cutting and Bailing Hay #12  
To many of us, any project, haying or otherwise, has to "pencil out" to be acceptable. I'd hate to think of the cost involved in getting a new baler, rake, mower, tedder, ect, just to do 4 or 5 acres. It would take literally HUNDREDS (if not thousands) of years just to reach a break even point. So for those of us that think economic practicality first, small is directly related to low cost. And that takes us to good, older used equipment.

Many smaller square balers that originate from designs of the 50's, 60's, 70's even the early 80's are more than at home behind smallish tractors. I bale with a Deere 336 that is quite a good fit behind my '71 Massey 150. Since 1971, I've mowed with a New Holland 451 sickle bar. That changed this year. I made the quantum leap to a mower conditioner this year. It's a mint, low houred New Holland 489. Again, it works well behind my 150. Any tractor that can handle a square baler will toy with a 9' NH Roll-a-bar rake. Same with a decent tedder. All toled, I can replace me entire haying equipment line-up for less than the cost of a new rake with carefull shopping. And this is equipment that is more than capable of baling hundreds of acres if need be. (I do about 30 acres a year nowdays)
 
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We had a Farmall Cub that had a mid mount sicklebar mower and Farmall Super A with a mid mount sickle bar mower. When it came time to rake the field, we had a side delivery rake pulled by the Farmall Cub and the Farmall Super A pull our New Holland 68 Baler with a 2 cylinder Wisconsin gas motor attached to it. The Wisconsin motor operated the baler and Super A simply pulled it around the fields. We used this method for as far back as I can remember. The Super A had no trouble pulling the 68 NH baler.
 
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Good Mornin Ray,
Thanks for that great video, I really enjoyed that ! :)

Hi, Scott;

Glad you liked it.
Hope to get my Super A in that condition next year.
 
/ Cutting and Bailing Hay #16  
Hi, Scott;

Glad you liked it.
Hope to get my Super A in that condition next year.

Absolutely Ray,
I wont be gettin rid of mine anytime soon ! ;)
 
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All toled, I can replace me entire haying equipment line-up for less than the cost of a new rake with carefull shopping. And this is equipment that is more than capable of baling hundreds of acres if need be. (I do about 30 acres a year nowdays)

Good Afternoon Bill,
Agreed, if your only doing small acreage every year, you will never reach the break even point durring your lifetime !

Just gotta do some shoppin at auctions and such ! ;)
 
 

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