Cutting sandstones/how was it done

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Hillbilly

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Guys,
How did these old timers back in the horse and buggy days cut the old sandstones etc,that were used for foundation stones etc.They cut them very true and square,just wondering if anyone knew how it was done?

Hillbilly(do not believe in politcal correctness/never did and never will)
 
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after quarrying the stone they would go to a mill, where they would have about three miles of wire on pulleys that would be driven like a band saw across the top of the stone, and by running this on the stone and feeding sand into the groove that it made would cut the stone. some of these mills are still around, but they have switched to large diamond blades now for most of the cutting.

alex
 
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The sandstone capital of the known world is Ashfork, Arizona. If you're ever on I 40 and have a chance to drop in you will be amazed. I've picked up a couple of ton of different rock there. I won't go into details but it was an adventure as we got to go to the mine itself to get it.

There's an old boy in Camp Verde, Arizona that has a water jet. He will cut your name and or your address in the stone. It is absolutely mind blowing the quality of the work. The cost will sit you down if the crispness of the cut doesn't.

And they still use that wire concept to cut granite and marble at the quarries. Of course instead of sand the cable is impregnated with diamonds.
 
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Harv, do they sell to the public or are they wholesale only?
We have been looking at a source for large stone to be place in our outdoor arboretum. Also have noticed that sandstone can be drilled and etched for some very neat water flow (decorative). This is something that has always interested me for a great retirement project.
PJ
 
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I bet you could do a nice job on sandstone with a pressure washer with a higher psi/higher flow and a single jet nozzle.
 
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Funny you should say that..............I was trying the exact same thing with my Honda 3000 psi unit yesterday evening .I am going to have to invest in a rain suit and face shield if I do anymore,do you reckon that sand in my mouth would help clean my teeth when I brush and go to bed?/w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif
I was able to cut a few designs,but I would like to learn about imaging the sandstones,I would like to know how the pro's do it,I have a market for sand stones where I live and I have thousands of chunks laying in my woods.
I thought maybe something like this would help pay some tuition etc...for my kids.Some of the pictures of designs I have seen,were highlighted with black that really made the image stand out.
Any of you gentleman have any links or tips or suggestions where I could further my knowledge on the right tools etc.....I have even thought I would like to take a few of these boulders and cut them down to a smaller size square stone,like these size of cement block.I seen a Stihl saw that has a concrete blade on it,do you think something like that would work?
My John Deere 4400 with 4 in 1 bucket really helps me getting the rocks out of the woods.

Thanks
Hillbilly
 
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It's right there on I 40 and if I recall correctly there's like four or five different vendors there with acres and acres and acres of stuff palleted and ready to go.

It is a retail wholesale set up I'm sure.

What happened with us is we dropped in on a Sunday and got to follow a truck driver back into the mountains about twenty five miles to the mine. It was an adventure, a real deal adventure.

The one thing you must always keep in mind in those western states is so much of land is federal. And the last thing your attorney wants to hear from you is how all you did was pick up this rock and put it in your pocket or car. They'll hang you higher for that than if you were sniping at cars on the interstate.

You have to have a permit to remove a stick or a rock from federal land. I went to the Forest Service and they gave me a permit. It was after I'd paid my fee and was happier than a pup with two tails that I found out that permit was only good for one area. I went there and what it was debris from forest service constructions sites. There wasn't one rock I'd take home, not one.

But I was able to load up at the mine and use the receipt to show that I'd legally purchased the rocks from a licensed dealer.

The same thing goes for firewood. I loaded up with a cord of Pinon. Pinon in Dallas goes for four hundred plus at the right time of the year. I was trying to hammer the guy for a break from his sixty five a cord there in New Mexico. I explained I had cash and didn't need a receipt. He explained to me cash worked but I'd better reconsider that bit about the receipt. The same rules apply to the firewood that applies to the rocks. You get caught without the proper paperwork they confiscate the goods and you got serious legal problems.

As for working it. Is here. Why I like it so much is they have not only the equipment but the consumables that you can't always seem to find at the places like Northern or TSC.

I have an IR T30 two stage five horse compressor at the shop. It works great for sandblasting small stuff. If you want to do more bigger stuff then I suggest finding a used construction compressor like they use for jackhammers. I borrow one occasionally.

I spent over three hundred dollars for my hood. It's a fresh air flow one. I highly recommend that expense. It only takes a minute for you to burn up all the oxygen in one of those non fresh air supplied ones. Then it gets real hot real quick and it isn't comfortable at all.

The one I got recommended at least another five horse compressor just to feed the hood. But being luckier than a pup with two mamas I found something better.

I had this spa blower sitting back there in a pile. Two hundred and twenty volts, noisy as the day is long, and I figured it it could make bubbles in a pool with people everywhere it could surely feed a hood. Then I dug out out the one inch hose that feeds air to my HVLP spray rig. We got it all together and I'm happier than a man has any right to be.

Now you need to go visit your local cemetary supply. They have a product called blast resist. Folks who etch glass also have it but their stuff is wussey, wussey, wussey.

Then what you do is you put your design on the blast resist. You glue the resist to your rock. You exacto knife your design out. And then you blast it with your sand blast nozzle.

This goes for etching glass, making granite markers, or carving sandstone.

If you look carefully at some of my stuff you'll see I've not only put a design in the sandstone, I've drilled it for being a planter. Yup, I'm a sick puppy and I don't want to get well.

The rock for my daughter's house was in a pile. I was down at my rock bud's place looking for that one rock that would say something to me. That particular one reached out and grabbed me because it had the outline of the eastern side of a map of Texas. A little freehanding with the old blaster and the rest of the map of Texas appeared. And more importantly I'd created a grin on my daughter's face that two dozen roses would never give.

As you're sitting there thinking about all the things you can do with this premise live a dream I have. I want to find someone with the money and the need for a rock tree planter. I'd like to make a wrought iron hand forged tree, say about six feet tall and five feet in circumference. Instead of steel leaves I'd like to do rocks, big rocks, say about the size of watermellons. And these rocks would be hollowed out so they'd be planters.

Yup, I think that'd be pretty. It'd be the only one. Surely that's worth something?
 
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I believe it could be done the same way the old timers (and some of the current stonemasons) cut granite down to size. They drill holes along the line they want to split and then use feathers. Feathers are thin wedges of hardwood. They put one in each of the holes with the wide edge down and then another with the thin edge down, and then go down the line tapping each upright feather. That, apparently, distributes the outward pressure pretty evenly and ends up creating a very clean edge.
Never tried it myself ... but I've always had a hankering to find a nice sized boulder and give it a try ....
 
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<font color=red>Yup, I'm a sick puppy and I don't want to get well.</font color=red>/w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif
Harv,
Thanks for the tips and info that is what I want to do(the etching).I wondered how that was done.
 
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Harv, you did it again. A complete run down on the topic, how to, ideas, and suggestions. I can't thank you enough for taking the time.
PJ
 

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