DDT & Lyme disease

[Coyote machine]

Only if you tell me I must!:dance1:

CM out for now....

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I am using the "Reply with Quote" option to post $76.


Yes, it would be easier but you insist on making your comments within a quote. Because you choose to make your comments within a quote, I have to go back to post #76 and copy and paste your comments. In those other cases I was responding to comments that were not embedded within a quote.


How hard can it be to understand? Jeez.

Common courtesy suggests making comments outside a quote.

Steve


* Because there is a mismatched QUOTE in post 76, I have added the dashed line to demarcate my response.[/QUOTE]

Just for your pleasure, Steve! It's not that 'hard to understand', to hit 'reply with quote' to quote outside a quote.
However, I don't see what one does to get the following effect: "You can paste that "

" at the beginning of each quoted section"... Where does the post ID # emanate from? That piece isn't clear, at least not to me...'Jeez',
BTW, Steve, blue text used to make clear where I'm speaking and you're not.
And it's common courtesy, is it, to quote outside a quote? Is that written somewhere like an Emily Post rules of etiquette 'thing'?! ,
Perchance in the third grade mid-semester classes on how to reply to posts on the net?! I musta missed that day in school! :0,

 

[smstonypoint]

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I am using the "Reply with Quote" option to post $76.


Yes, it would be easier but you insist on making your comments within a quote. Because you choose to make your comments within a quote, I have to go back to post #76 and copy and paste your comments. In those other cases I was responding to comments that were not embedded within a quote.


How hard can it be to understand? Jeez.

Common courtesy suggests making comments outside a quote.

Steve


* Because there is a mismatched QUOTE in post 76, I have added the dashed line to demarcate my response.

Just for your pleasure, Steve! It's not that 'hard to understand', to hit 'reply with quote' to quote outside a quote.
However, I don't see what one does to get the following effect: "You can paste that "

" at the beginning of each quoted section"... Where does the post ID # emanate from? That piece isn't clear, at least not to me...'Jeez',
BTW, Steve, blue text used to make clear where I'm speaking and you're not.
And it's common courtesy, is it, to quote outside a quote? Is that written somewhere like an Emily Post rules of etiquette 'thing'?! ,
Perchance in the third grade mid-semester classes on how to reply to posts on the net?! I musta missed that day in school! :0,

The mismatched QUOTE in Post #76 has screwed things up. I should have tried to correct the problem. I don't know how to correct the resulting confusion, so I am going to start my reply in a new post.

 

[smstonypoint]

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I am using the "Reply with Quote" option to post $76.


Yes, it would be easier but you insist on making your comments within a quote. Because you choose to make your comments within a quote, I have to go back to post #76 and copy and paste your comments. In those other cases I was responding to comments that were not embedded within a quote.


How hard can it be to understand? Jeez.

Common courtesy suggests making comments outside a quote.

Steve


* Because there is a mismatched QUOTE in post 76, I have added the dashed line to demarcate my response.

Just for your pleasure, Steve! It's not that 'hard to understand', to hit 'reply with quote' to quote outside a quote.
However, I don't see what one does to get the following effect: "You can paste that "

" at the beginning of each quoted section"... Where does the post ID # emanate from? That piece isn't clear, at least not to me...'Jeez',
BTW, Steve, blue text used to make clear where I'm speaking and you're not.
And it's common courtesy, is it, to quote outside a quote? Is that written somewhere like an Emily Post rules of etiquette 'thing'?! ,
Perchance in the third grade mid-semester classes on how to reply to posts on the net?! I musta missed that day in school! :0,

Again, the mismatched QUOTE in Post $76 has screwed things up. See the post below.

 

[smstonypoint]

Coyote machine,

Before going on, do you understand this?


You can manually end a quote, insert your comment, and then resume the quote. In the following I am using left and right parentheses, you need to replace the parentheses with left and right brackets.


To manually end a quote, type (/QUOTE). Type in your comments. To resume the quote, type (QUOTE).


If you follow that practice, your comments will show up when someone enters "Reply with Quote." Doing so means that I and others don't have to go back to your post and copy and paste your comments. It doesn't take much effort on your part, and it would make life a lot easier for those who wish to respond to your comments. Stated another way, embedding comments in a quote is a PITA for those who want to quote the comments in their responses.


I don't know whether it's written down anywhere, but you are in a distinct minority among TBN members when you make a habit of inserting your comments within a quote.


Either respond to this message or start a new message and I will try to explain Aaron's point via a screenshot. Use at least two sentences not embedded in a quote. Don't bother using a blue font color.

Steve

 

[TomSeller]

Let me rephrase my reply to your comment that I was being naive regarding wartime tactics.

My understanding of wartime tactics is that the objective is to deploy weapons that kill or immediately incapacitate the enemy.

You have a misunderstanding of wartime tactics in that era of time. Also, the military would not have known how long Lyme disease would take to incapacitate its victims until after they developed and tested it. In this case once the tick was out of the bag it was out of the bag.

 

[smstonypoint]

You have a misunderstanding of wartime tactics in that era of time. Also, the military would not have known how long Lyme disease would take to incapacitate its victims until after they developed and tested it. In this case once the tick was out of the bag it was out of the bag.

OK.

I will ask you some of the questions that I asked Coyote machine.

1. Is there a published source that provides credible evidence that "weaponized" ticks from Plum Island are responsible for Lyme disease?

2. How do you reconcile the "weaponized" tick theory with DNA evidence from MLST of housekeeping genes captures geographic population structure and suggests a European origin of Borrelia burgdorferi that indicates the bacteria responsible for Lyme disease have been around for millennia?

3. How did the Plum Island scientists manage to modify the bacteria so that they would cause Lyme disease? Genetic engineering? "Selective reproduction"?

4. How do you reconcile a "weaponized" tick theory with the cases of what appear to have been Lyme disease dating back as far as the Ice Man (New insights into the Tyrolean Iceman's origin and phenotype as inferred by whole-genome sequencing | Nature Communications) and numerous others dating from 1764 onward (Lyme disease - Wikipedia)?

5. Why isn't Plum Island even mentioned in the history of Lyme disease provided by Lyme disease - Wikipedia?

Here's a new question.

6. Tick-borne disease - Wikipedia lists 17 tick-borne diseases (8 bacterial, 5 viral, 3 protozoan, and 1 toxin). Is Plum Island also responsible for each of the other 16 tick-borne diseases?


Steve

 

[smstonypoint]

I have become interested in tick-borne diseases due to this thread. It seems that Mother Nature has served up something much worse than Lyme disease. The story is here (Worse than Lyme: Tick-borne Powassan virus worries experts - TODAY.com).

Here are snippets from the story.

Powassan virus, which is a far rarer and more deadly pathogen than the bacterium that produces Lyme, is also transmitted by the deer tick. The virus can cause inflammation in the brain, which leads to death or permanent disability in 60 percent of cases.

Especially worrying, the virus can be transmitted from the tick in as little as 15 minutes, Lyons said. In comparison, the Lyme bacterium needs 24 hours to pass from a tick to a human.

The reported cases have mostly come from the Northeast and the northern part of the Midwest. List of cases through 2015, per the CDC:

Maine (2)
Massachusetts (8)
Minnesota (20)
New Hampshire (1)
New Jersey (3)
New York (16)
Pennsylvania (1)
Virginia (1)
Wisconsin (16)

Few have heard of Powassan virus, but it's been around for a long time. The first reported case was in the 1950s in Ontario, said Durland Fish, a professor emeritus of epidemiology and microbiology at the Yale School of Public Health. It wasn't considered a big problem then because the virus had been transmitted by a tick that rarely bit human beings, Fish said.

But that changed when it appeared in deer ticks.

"It's no longer a disease that's just caused by a tick species that hardly ever bites people," Fish said. "Now it's being transmitted by a tick species that bites people readily. And that's not good. This is a disease that there is no treatment for and that you can die from."

Steve

 

[drizler]

University of Rhode Island TickEncounter Resource Center


This is a fantastic site I found a while back. Note how you can soak your work clothes in a permetherin solution, let dry and it acts to repel and kill nearly any that come on to you. Also note it's effects last for about a month with regular washings. Permetherin is dirt cheap too and well tolerated by humans although it's lethal to cats so keep it away from them. Tractor supply sells it.
Anyways check out that website it's got to be the most informative grouping of information that I've yet to find including test They have conducted using human volunteers to see the effectiveness of salt clothing over time. Definitely worth bookmarking!

 

[dmccarty]

University of Rhode Island TickEncounter Resource Center


This is a fantastic site I found a while back. Note how you can soak your work clothes in a permetherin solution, let dry and it acts to repel and kill nearly any that come on to you. Also note it's effects last for about a month with regular washings. Permetherin is dirt cheap too and well tolerated by humans although it's lethal to cats so keep it away from them. Tractor supply sells it.
Anyways check out that website it's got to be the most informative grouping of information that I've yet to find including test They have conducted using human volunteers to see the effectiveness of salt clothing over time. Definitely worth bookmarking!

I have used permetherin soaked clothes for years to fight off the ticks and chiggers. It works and the treatment last a couple of months. I also use DEET sprayed on the clothes and it too works.

There is a long list of known tick borne illnesses, Tickborne Diseases of the United States | Ticks | CDC, and I wonder how many other diseases are caused by ticks or chiggers but are unknown.

Later,
Dan

 

[Coyote machine]

Coyote machine,

Before going on, do you understand this?


You can manually end a quote, insert your comment, and then resume the quote. In the following I am using left and right parentheses, you need to replace the parentheses with left and right brackets.


To manually end a quote, type (/QUOTE). Type in your comments. To resume the quote, type (QUOTE).


If you follow that practice, your comments will show up when someone enters "Reply with Quote." Doing so means that I and others don't have to go back to your post and copy and paste your comments. It doesn't take much effort on your part, and it would make life a lot easier for those who wish to respond to your comments. Stated another way, embedding comments in a quote is a PITA for those who want to quote the comments in their responses.


I don't know whether it's written down anywhere, but you are in a distinct minority among TBN members when you make a habit of inserting your comments within a quote.

Like this Steve?! To tell the truth, I was not aware of the particulars you outlined above, or I would likely have been using them prior to now.....so thanks for the 'skoolin'

Either respond to this message or start a new message and I will try to explain Aaron's point via a screenshot. Use at least two sentences not embedded in a quote. Don't bother using a blue font color.

Steve

I'm away on vaca, so have not responded to this thread for a few days. Here are your two sentences Steve, so show me the way to enlightenment by all means!