dealer sells damaged Frontier implement as new

[AGRIMAN]

Powder coating causes metal cancer.

What?.... LOL. This is a new one for me. Can you please explain with more details?

 

[Midniteoyl]

Only if the prep wasnt done correctly, like any coating. Some OEM's out there like to brag about using power coat, but really sux on the prep.. this causes the metal underneath to corrode without anyone knowing until the coating 'pops' off... Its not the powder coat, its the prep.

 

[SPYDERLK]

I can't say that i have applied powder coats- but it sounds like the OP stated that the spreader WAS powdercoated from the factory...
I had heard that powdercoating is more abrasion resistant than any paint??? and yet it sounds like the powder coat was scratched?? maybe inadequate preparation ?? And as far as powdercoat causing metal cancer - if true there are a lot of classic car owners who spent thousands having the chassis and and hordes of other parts treated this way.. Imagine their dismay...

Yep. I feel for them. Powder coat doesnt adhere like good paint. As long as its unbroken youre good. A nick or a break at an edge, and then water can reach the metal and spread laterally. You then have a tuf coating over swelling rust. A spreader coating of any kind will fail quickly and repeatedly at the metering hole edges. Paint fixes paint conveniently and well, but not powder. POR-15, a very special/dangerous paint, does a pretty good job sealing broken powder edges.
larry

 

[Scooby074]

I agree, 99% of the powdercoating out there sucks. It all comes down to prep which the companies seem to overlook

And POR15 a "dangerous" paint? Not in my experience (unless you have to pee and forget that you have paint on your hands)

 

[sd455dan]

I agree, 99% of the powdercoating out there sucks. It all comes down to prep which the companies seem to overlook

And POR15 a "dangerous" paint? Not in my experience (unless you have to pee and forget that you have paint on your hands)

Yeah- i remember the early print ads for POR 15
they would paint a really rusty battery tray or piece of exhaust pipe
then beat it with a hammer -call it (hammer tough) and it wouldn't crack or chip...
Have never heard anything bad about it
- not one of the lower priced rust treatments

had not heard that it was a repair technique for lifted powder coat...

 

[SPYDERLK]

I agree, 99% of the powdercoating out there sucks. It all comes down to prep which the companies seem to overlook

And POR15 a "dangerous" paint? Not in my experience (unless you have to pee and forget that you have paint on your hands)

Yeah- i remember the early print ads for POR 15
they would paint a really rusty battery tray or piece of exhaust pipe
then beat it with a hammer -call it (hammer tough) and it wouldn't crack or chip...
Have never heard anything bad about it
- not one of the lower priced rust treatments

had not heard that it was a repair technique for lifted powder coat...

Sticks like glue , but should have an overcoat [degrades in a few months of sunlight]. Vapors are dangerous. Permanent lung damage. Do not spray.
Isocyanates CAW Council 4000

 

[AGRIMAN]

I’m not interested in starting a battle over powdercoating, but I will say that most of the above comments are unfounded. The under laying rust condition describe is true, but it applies to poor prep with either wet paint or powder. We all know that proper prep is a major part of any painting process and if not done correctly the end result is no better that a 99 cent rattle can.

I own a custom/job shop power coating business so we do powder coating for a wide customer base. Some of our larger customers require that we submit samples that undergo both adhesion and salt spray testing to ensure our coating meets specs, while others rely on us to ensure the job is done correctly. Powder does offer you a superior finish to wet paint when applied correctly, but it’s not indestructible as some people think and it can be scratched, chipped or worn off. A pretreatment along with a zinc primer base will prevent any under laying rust issues if the top coat is damaged.

Our standard process on steel parts includes media blasting, zirconium pretreatment, zinc primer base, top coat and a clear coat if required/requested. There are also other issues of why powder fails which include using the wrong type powder for the application and incomplete curing.

If you still think powder sucks and it doesn’t adhere like paint then here is a really simple test for you. Take two parts, one properly painted and the other powder coated and white blast them…… then tell me which one took the longest.

 

[SPYDERLK]

Im not interested in starting a battle over powdercoating, but I will say that most of the above comments are unfounded. The under laying rust condition describe is true, but it applies to poor prep with either wet paint or powder. We all know that proper prep is a major part of any painting process and if not done correctly the end result is no better that a 99 cent rattle can.
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If you still think powder sucks and it doesn稚 adhere like paint then here is a really simple test for you. Take two parts, one properly painted and the other powder coated and white blast them? then tell me which one took the longest.

No contest. Powder coat is tuffer than paint. Abrasion isnt the issue, rather edge failure or nicks. The valid test is corrosive durability against a broken finish. I have no data on that, merely observation of my stuf. Cancer spreads under powder, but is tightly localized to the damaged area by paint. The very strength of the powder membrane contributes. - Paint tends to nick w/o adjacent delamination from the surface, whereas powder coat seems to loosen by distress adjacent to nicks and to other sharp distress even without a nick. Show some info of comparison in that respect.
larry

 

[KennedyDiesel]

I wouldn't call that damaged I would call it mishandled during assembly.

If it comes in a cardboard pkg there is no reason that this cardboard could not be reused as a floor mat. It really does not take THAT much longer to take your time and do it right.