death of regular cab pickups

   / death of regular cab pickups #261  
I would love to have a Gladiator diesel to replace my 2020 Rubicon 2 door. I didn’t know they still offered a diesel. Figured they dumped it by now.
Diesel engine is not offered anymore in the Wrangler and I don't know why - they were selling every one they could make. But I just checked the Jeep "build" site and that engine is still available in the Gladiator...at least for now. People that own them just love them for the seemingly effortless power - full torque is available at only 1400 rpm. Careful driving nets some of the folks 27-30 mpg.
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   / death of regular cab pickups #262  
How many doors on a pickup varies as to how big your family is...went to a memorial service last Saturday for one of my old friends who passed away, and parked next to this Superduty that pulled in at the same time. The doors opened...I was amazed! Every seat in this truck was full - drove down from Idaho to Nevada:

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That's an F450, by the way.
 
   / death of regular cab pickups #263  
Reg cab is great for no more than 2 people and cargo that can stay in an open bed in all weather and that cargo is not desirable or easy to steal.

I drive both crew 6 3/4ft and regular cab 8 ft.

Full 4 door crew so much nicer carrying people, supplies and tools. I've used the back seat to carry tools, easy to lock and keep stuff dry.

The new reg cabs are narrower and seating is basically two adults and a child max.

The days of 3 men comfortably fitting on a bench seat 4 speed reg cab are long gone.
 
   / death of regular cab pickups #264  
Diesel engine is not offered anymore in the Wrangler and I don't know why - they were selling every one they could make. But I just checked the Jeep "build" site and that engine is still available in the Gladiator...at least for now. People that own them just love them for the seemingly effortless power - full torque is available at only 1400 rpm. Careful driving nets some of the folks 27-30 mpg.
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Thats a nice, flat curve from 1400-3000. Just where you need it.
Heck, even at idle it makes about the same torque as my 2L at peak.
 
   / death of regular cab pickups #265  
The new reg cabs are narrower and seating is basically two adults and a child max.

The days of 3 men comfortably fitting on a bench seat 4 speed reg cab are long gone.
I'd have to do some research, which I will not do, but I think cabs of today are wider inside than cabs of 40 years ago. Just guessing here. :)
 
   / death of regular cab pickups #266  
I'd have to do some research, which I will not do, but I think cabs of today are wider inside than cabs of 40 years ago. Just guessing here. :)
What's different is that I don't think anyone makes a real "bench" seat anymore. Only ones I've see are "40-20-40" type seats which are essentially two bucket seats with a child seat in between them...your lady friend wouldn't be too happy sitting on that "20".
 
   / death of regular cab pickups #267  
My old U.S. Forest Service Dodge is kind of an end of an era.
I think the USFS fire trucks are still green. All other vehicles have been white for some time.
Do pickups still have a 4spd. option or manual shift into 2 or 4wd/hi-low range? Not to mention locking hubs on front axles?
Most folks don’t want a 35 yr old truck that rides like a truck, (very spartan & uncomfortable) and I agree with them.
But I‘ve kinda gotten used to the old girl.
 

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   / death of regular cab pickups #268  
What's different is that I don't think anyone makes a real "bench" seat anymore. Only ones I've see are "40-20-40" type seats which are essentially two bucket seats with a child seat in between them...your lady friend wouldn't be too happy sitting on that "20".
Very good point. I'm not sure though.
 
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#269  
I have another take on this. I use my Ram 5500 purely for work. Period. It’s a Laramie.
I have heated & cooled seats-I love them. Nothing makes the day a little easier when it’s hot outside and you can turn them on to get some of the sweat off you. On cold days, they help keep you in the field a little longer by adding some warmth to my tired body when it’s 20* outside.
I have a crew cab- Its great with seats folded down for carrying my most valuable tools, like my hay baler monitor ($5,000) my moisture testers, my laser, equipment manuals, etc. Last thing I want is them bouncing around in metal tool boxes. With seats up, I can take extra help with me to work.
Automatic transmission- Love it for towing. Todays modern automatics are fantastic. They can be shifted manually, too. Not as effectively as the 8LL or the Spicer 7 speed I had in my previous dump trucks, but at least there’s some manual control. They also are safer for towing since you have your hands more available for the wheel. They down shift, too. And when coupled with a diesel engine, they have very effective exhaust braking. Mine will slow the truck & trailer without barely any use of the service brakes.
Cruise control- great for long hauling trips
LED lighting-brighter/safer at night. Easier to see deer. Longer lasting. Less battery draw.
Back up cameras-improve safety, prevent trailer/truck damage when backing.

While I DO agree stripped work trucks should always be available, I do not think “loaded” trucks indicate any measure of softness in the owner/operator. Yeah sure there’s keyboard warriors out there with money that must have the best of everything.
You try doing what I do for a living. It ain't easy. Having a truck that takes a little of the work out of the day and makes me a little more comfortable is a God send to me. I had vinyl stripped trucks. They were uncomfortable and I didn‘t look forward to driving them. A loaded truck makes me want to keep working longer.
follow the bliss Hay Dude, no doubt i love my creature comforts in a day's work too
we're very fortunate in choosing our own element in later life. not everyone has that luxury these days, best regards
 
   / death of regular cab pickups #270  
I'd have to do some research, which I will not do, but I think cabs of today are wider inside than cabs of 40 years ago. Just guessing here. :)
What I noticed on my 2011 Toyota Seinna van was the driver and passenger front seats are further from the door giving me the feeling of a wider vehicle. Might be the same feeling overszd notices on pickups. I have my thinking why my van is that way, but..... Jon
 
   / death of regular cab pickups #271  
My old U.S. Forest Service Dodge is kind of an end of an era.
I think the USFS fire trucks are still green. All other vehicles have been white for some time.
Do pickups still have a 4spd. option or manual shift into 2 or 4wd/hi-low range? Not to mention locking hubs on front axles?
Most folks don’t want a 35 yr old truck that rides like a truck, (very spartan & uncomfortable) and I agree with them.
But I‘ve kinda gotten used to the old girl.
Nice to see one of the old green trucks. We switched to white because they’re cheaper (the green color was special order), and easier to sell white vehicles at auction. You can still find manual transmissions (4 speed with overdrive), but the high/low range switch is electrical now and no such thing as locking hubs anymore. I spent a couple hundred thousand miles driving trucks like yours on unmaintained forest roads on the job. You are correct that they are rough riding; I think that’s when I started visiting the chiropractor. LOL.
 
   / death of regular cab pickups #272  
My old U.S. Forest Service Dodge is kind of an end of an era.
I think the USFS fire trucks are still green. All other vehicles have been white for some time.
Do pickups still have a 4spd. option or manual shift into 2 or 4wd/hi-low range? Not to mention locking hubs on front axles?
Most folks don’t want a 35 yr old truck that rides like a truck, (very spartan & uncomfortable) and I agree with them.
But I‘ve kinda gotten used to the old girl.

No 4 speed manual trannies anymore. Last 4 speed manual was many, many years ago. They went to a 5 speed around 30 years ago and then a 6 speed manual about 20 years ago. No manual trannies on any new Ford, Chevy, or Ram pickups period. Last manual tranny for them was in the 2019 Ram. The new Ford Bronco can be optioned with a 7 speed manual tranny but only with the 4 cylinder engine.

As far as I know it is still possible to get a manual shift lever for the transfer case in a basic XL Ford Superduty. Same with the manual locking hubs. The higher trims all have a dial on the dash to shift into 4wd, and I believe those higher trims give you "auto-locking" hubs, but those hubs can also be locked in manually.
 
   / death of regular cab pickups #273  
No 4 speed manual trannies anymore. Last 4 speed manual was many, many years ago. They went to a 5 speed around 30 years ago and then a 6 speed manual about 20 years ago. No manual trannies on any new Ford, Chevy, or Ram pickups period. Last manual tranny for them was in the 2019 Ram. The new Ford Bronco can be optioned with a 7 speed manual tranny but only with the 4 cylinder engine.

As far as I know it is still possible to get a manual shift lever for the transfer case in a basic XL Ford Superduty. Same with the manual locking hubs. The higher trims all have a dial on the dash to shift into 4wd, and I believe those higher trims give you "auto-locking" hubs, but those hubs can also be locked in manually.
I haven’t seen manual locking hubs since the 1980s.
 
   / death of regular cab pickups #275  
Just went on the Ford "build your Superduty" web site. It appears all 4wd Superduties have the locking hubs (although most also have auto-locking). They don't stick out like they used to because they utilize "unit bearings" in the hub so the hub unit itself is very short.
 
   / death of regular cab pickups #276  
You need to get out a little more. My 2000 F350 has manual hubs and a manual 6 speed transmission with a 7.3 powerstroke.
I think Ford kept them a little longer than the other companies. Regardless, I haven’t been assigned a work truck with those since the 80s.
 
   / death of regular cab pickups #277  
Just went on the Ford "build your Superduty" web site. It appears all 4wd Superduties have the locking hubs (although most also have auto-locking). They don't stick out like they used to because they utilize "unit bearings" in the hub so the hub unit itself is very short.
Must be a Ford thing. Haven’t seen them on Dodges, Chevys, or Jeeps in a lot of years.
 
   / death of regular cab pickups #278  
The auto locking hubs (shifter; no manual override) in my '97 F350 failed so I swapped to manual. In the winter I often leave the hubs locked...
 
   / death of regular cab pickups #279  
The auto locking hubs (shifter; no manual override) in my '97 F350 failed so I swapped to manual. In the winter I often leave the hubs locked...
Jeeps have been using a fluid coupling (no auto or manual locking hubs) since the mid-90s. There are no protruding hubs.
 
   / death of regular cab pickups #280  
My old U.S. Forest Service Dodge is kind of an end of an era.
I think the USFS fire trucks are still green. All other vehicles have been white for some time.
Do pickups still have a 4spd. option or manual shift into 2 or 4wd/hi-low range? Not to mention locking hubs on front axles?
Most folks don’t want a 35 yr old truck that rides like a truck, (very spartan & uncomfortable) and I agree with them.
But I‘ve kinda gotten used to the old girl.
I drove that exact truck, except white and a 250 for years for a guy I worked for. Mostly snow plowing.
Dodge Trucks were kind of made fun of back then. I thought the thing was tough as nails even back then.

My 2012 F-550 had manual locking hubs. My 2012 F-350 had auto hubs with manual over-ride in case the vacuum lines failed. Pretty nice idea by Ford.

Ford also made some F-350’s without the long protruding locking hubs. Here’s a ‘95 F-350 without them.

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